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    VW-IceFire's Avatar Senior Member
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    Originally posted by DKoor:
    I'd much prefer this optimistic approach;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eu7ar5EKM
    Haha! We can count that as the unofficial electric theme
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    being suspicious by nature, my real concern is that the name change suggests a limited scope for the sim
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    You do realize that this will be only the first installment in a multi year run for the new sim?

    I take it by your join date that you have no recollection of the original release of IL2 back in 2001. It was the same thing. Only Russian Front, limited plane set, expanded to other theaters over time.

    The vast array of aircraft we enjoy in IL2/1946 took years to build up.

    Nothing good happens overnight.
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    Originally posted by ElAurens:
    You do realize that this will be only the first installment in a multi year run for the new sim?

    I take it by your join date that you have no recollection of the original release of IL2 back in 2001. It was the same thing. Only Russian Front, limited plane set, expanded to other theaters over time.

    The vast array of aircraft we enjoy in IL2/1946 took years to build up.

    Nothing good happens overnight.
    Hi Terry

    It's me, Chris. You did playtesting for me on WTCF. I had to get a new username and I hardly ever post here

    Yes, of course I do know all that . The sim's possible name change just makes me wonder. Sure, it took years to get that stuff, but that's also partially my concern too. Sims aren't money-makers compared to other games. My suspicious nature makes me wonder- if Ubi is the publisher, are they setting themselves up by preparing to cut things off at the first installment if they don't see enough revenue, despite Oleg's intentions. Plus, if Oleg wants to ditch them later, they have published the first installemnt and it can stand alone, precluding Oleg from possibly using another distributor and/or making him unable to get somebody to distribute add-ons for a game they don't have anything to do with. Seems like a corporate bastage move to me; then again, I tend to think corporations are Machiavellian and they plan carefully.

    But I have a mind that is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives- and this name change makes me think. I am probably 100% wrong, but it does make me think

    if Ubi doesn't have some scheme, I think that they are blindly making things difficult for the community, because the casual player will think Il2 Cliffs of Dover is an add-on to 1946 or even the original Il2. I think Oleg is right all around by re-naming it entirely
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    never like he name "SOW" anyway reminds me of a Pig.
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    Howdy Chris.

    I guess I wasted a few sentences there huh?

    hehe.

    I understand your train of thought, but can't say I totally agree. I guess I'm not as suspicious as you. Every good businessman has an exit strategy so you can't blame Oleg for covering his bases, if indeed that is what he is doing.

    I am fairly hopeful about the new sim, whatever it is called, but the debacle of the RoF release has forever changed my approach to new product.

    What did Mr. Reagan say? Trust but verify?

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    Il-2 Sturmovik Forever?
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    ...but the sim is not an installment of IL2. The IL2, and the theater it was used in is not even in the initial release. Having the name "IL2" in it is simply a weak attempt at brand recognition.

    Its a little silly to call a new thing by an old name if the old name is dis-associated with the new product. Things like this don't help sales; confusing your target group doesn't really make sense. Like this for example:
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  9. #19
    Originally posted by Falcke:
    Guess they couldn't resist hitching a ride on the Il2 name, understandable though.

    EDIT: Might it be the Russian name? Russian games frequently have different names in Russia then they do in the rest of the world. Or has it been confirmed that this is gonna be its one and only name?
    This is what I was thinking, that it's the title that might be used when the game is released in Russia.
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    Oleg personally doesn't want the new name and he's arguing with the publishers. Let's hope it ends well for the game.
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