The next SH should be WWI in the Atlantic. Here’s why | Forums

[Mylo42]

I don't know a **** thing about WWI naval battles, which is why I would enjoy a WWI sub sim. I always learn something from the games I play. As for "boring" or "exciting", that is going to be dependendant on who is playing. As it is with SHIII, I will sit in my sub for hours with nothing happening. I just sit back and read one of my books on U-boats. Many would call this boring, I call it emmersive, not to mention, educational.

[edou20_nl]

i think they better could make a carrier hunter or something like that in where we could control a big naval force ,in battles like midway.

[Faamecanic]

Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
You will find it anticlimactic from the end of 43 on. Just some good ole running up the score. The tough times were past for the Yanks, the Germans were in hell by comparison.
Believe what you want but documentation backs my premise.

Wulfmann

All you have to do is read Iron coffins to know that by '43 the German U boat arm was in VERY VERY bad shape.

Wulf...if you havent read Donitz's memoirs...you really should. VERY shocking. For example in 1940-1941 it wasnt uncommon for Dontiz to only have 14-18 Uboats on on patrol at one time!!! Due to lack of boats... But yet they still did heavy damage to British shipping.

[Abihco]

Originally posted by Faamecanic:
Oh B.S. .... I will AGREE that MOST Americans dont even consider history PERIOD (thanks to our fine public education system).

But I DISAGREE that Americans that DO study WWII history (and other war history) DO consider more than just "our side".

Look at all the Scale modelers in America...I know every one of them in my local club does extensive research when building a model. Be it Japaneese, German, Italian, British....

Heck, I started building that Revell Type VII Uboat...so I bought several books on Uboats. That also lead me to buy "10 years and 20 days"..a book written by Adm. Donitz. I have also read his actual war logs (the ones that have been translated to english anyway).

There are quite a few American gorgnards that know more about WWII history then a lot of West Point (the US Army Military college) grads do.

Lol, "tone" aside, we're in agreement. Sure, a lot of *us* Americans do study history and love doing so. But the bulk of *us* could care less beyond our sitcoms and McLard Sandwiches.

I gave my opinion on why I thought the Atlantic theater was more aptly suited for a sim such as SHIII, with the concession that I did really enjoy a Pacific-theater sim back in the Microprose Silent Service II days.

I have three kids. Anything earlier than Reagan is something foreign to them. That seems to be becoming the norm.

[Faamecanic]

Originally posted by Abihco:
Lol, "tone" aside, we're in agreement. Sure, a lot of *us* Americans do study history and love doing so. But the bulk of *us* could care less beyond our sitcoms and McLard Sandwiches.

I gave my opinion on why I thought the Atlantic theater was more aptly suited for a sim such as SHIII, with the concession that I did really enjoy a Pacific-theater sim back in the Microprose Silent Service II days.

I have three kids. Anything earlier than Reagan is something foreign to them. That seems to be becoming the norm.

Sorry if my tone came across a bit harsh... I have a tendancy to do that when writing. I just get kinda testy (cheeky for our UK friends) when people generalize "Americans" as being complete dunderheads... not all of us are like that.

I do agree that our US edication (Edit: ROFL, I complain about education systems, and gcant even spell it...darn fat fingers) systems has some SERIOUS problems. Even our universities have a lack of required history classes. Thomas Jefferson would be VERY disappointed in how little history we Americans learn. It was Jefferson that said something to the effect of "If we do not learn our history, we are doomed to repeat it".

I personally have LOVED history. Maybe that comes from being brought up the son of a US Army soldier and living in Germany for 6 years. While there I traveled (especially in my late teen years) all over. England, Spain, Italy, France, and the former East Berlin (that was a REAL eye-opener as to how good we Americans have it!!). I grew to appreciate the history and culture of other countries.

I dont blame the Americans for being stupid...I blame the terrible education system.

[EFileTahi-A]

I think that a WWI sub sim would be truly interesting but not as getting my hands on those huge japanese war subs back on WWII in the Pacific Ocean as well playing with the US side in the same place....

Anyway, all these 3 options are truly welcome for me, give me something else then germans, am just sick of the atlantic (unless, it's set in WWI). Alternately, being able to choose the side we would fight for (Japan, US, German) would simply be too AWESOME!

Silent Service II was the most enjoyable game I ever played regarding its type. If only it had SH3's graphical engine

Yet, I dream to play a TRULY, I mean, TRULY Naval war game (with no arcady ****) set between 1500 - 1700. They simply don't existe...

[TheRealWulfmann]

It is nice to see a broad sampling of positive ideas. Not just because I am a Yank, but I bet many others would want to man the USS Constitution in a war of 1812 sim evading the Royal Navy looking for a one on one to let them in on the impending ascendancy of a new power.

I really believe we must all remember the more models we ask for the more time, money and PC power required and that will not necessarily mean a better play. I would be happier with one or 2 US subs or 2 German WWI subs done so frigging well with AI more complex, more realistic and with the actual ships being correctly modeled and appearing when they actually did. By having fewer models done better the game won’t need to be a 256BIT, 12GHZ CPU with a 2048MB video card and 12 GB DDR8 RAM!!!
The more you ask for the more power needed to run.

Yes, If Donitz had half the 1943 subs in 41 it would have ended the war.
But he did not.
Partially because Hitler did not like the Jew loving Navy.
When he demanded they dismiss their Jewish officers they refused and the navy made a deal to recognize him as the legitimate leader of Germany but he had to agree to leave all Jews in the navy alone and all Jewish family members (Jewish women married to Gentile Germans) The Nazis kept the agreement but the navy suffered from appropriations until the time it was realized just how significant a contribution the navy could make.
Just a little way the German Jews inadvertently helped to defeat the Nazis.
More like Nazi hatred further sealing their own fate.
Imagine just how all conquering they would have been without lame racial hatred

Wulfmann

[EFileTahi-A]

Originally posted by TheRealWulfmann:
(...)By having fewer models done better the game won’t need to be a 256BIT, 12GHZ CPU with a 2048MB video card and 12 GB DDR8 RAM!!!
The more you ask for the more power needed to run.

Wrong. The more detailed ships are the more resources will be required on order to process them. This is not about quantity but quality. I can make a simple 3D sphere consuming all your computer resourses and lagging like 1 Frame per second. Alternatively, I can create a few hundreds of spheres animating at 50 frames per second.

It is just a matter of building them with the right polygon count. The higher the poly count the perfect the sphere will be and more CPU time will be need to animate it, and vice-versa...

[blue_76]

Originally posted by EFileTahi-A:
Yet, I dream to play a TRULY, I mean, TRULY Naval war game (with no arcady ****) set between 1500 - 1700. They simply don't existe...

that is also something i'd like to see. just imagine massive armadas of ships positioning for a great battle. no engines, no gramaphones.. just the flapping sails, the creaking hull and the pounding waves.. ok! back to reality!
which reminds me.. i had a dvd stashed somewhere of 'the bounty'. i feel like seeing that again.

[EFileTahi-A]

Originally posted by blue_76:
that is also something i'd like to see. just imagine massive armadas of ships positioning for a great battle. no engines, no gramaphones.. just the flapping sails, the creaking hull and the pounding waves.. ok! back to reality!
which reminds me.. i had a dvd stashed somewhere of 'the bounty'. i feel like seeing that again.

Oh Blue, can you imagine scuh game with SH3 engine?