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    not sure if anybody else posted information on this recently, but it seems that yet again the chinese have been identified as the culprits in recent very aggressive cyber warfare acts against the usa's corporate and governmental agencies during peacetime

    SAN FRANCISCO — A series of online attacks on Google and dozens of other American corporations have been traced to computers at two educational institutions in China, including one with close ties to the Chinese military, say people involved in the investigation.
    full article makes for an interesting read http://<a href="http://www.nytimes.c...cks&st=cse</a>

    very slack of the yanks to put up with such openly hostile and aggressive acts imo

    iirc a few yrs ago a massive brown out occurred in several us states (ie several power stations all went offline at the same time), which were later linked to chinese hackers. again nothing was done by the usa governement to reprimand or discipline china. seems the "cost of doing business" in china outweighs national security to, let alone ecological concerns for the planet or human rights issues.
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    Cheap labor is more important than national security.
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    Consider it as an exercise.. if the yanks were slack in their inet security... it's their own fault.
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    Originally posted by Blood_Splat:
    Cheap labor is more important than national security.
    That's exactly it.

    Congress is beholden to Walmart, not the American citizen. And rocking the boat would be bad for business.
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    It makes wonder if these online attacks are possibly linked with the 2007 anti-satellite missile test and the U.S. satellite laser illumination 'test'?

    Here is an exerpt from a past article from globalsecurity.org:

    China is said to be acquiring a variety of foreign technologies, which could be used to develop an anti-satellite (ASAT) capability. Beijing already may have acquired technical assistance which could be applied to the development of laser radars used to track and image satellites and may be seeking an advanced radar system with the capability to track satellites in low earth orbit. It also may be developing jammers, which could be used against Global Positioning System (GPS) receivers. In addition, China already may possess the capability to damage, under specific conditions, optical sensors on satellites that are very vulnerable to damage by lasers. Beijing also may have acquired high-energy laser equipment and technical assistance, which probably could be used in the development of ground-based ASAT weapons.

    Given China's current level of interest in laser technology, Beijing probably could develop a weapon that could destroy satellites in the future. Although specific Chinese programs for laser ASAT have not been identified, press articles indicate an interest in developing this capability and Beijing may be working on appropriate technologies.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/...world/china/asat.htm

    If China can control at will both satellites through destruction or disability, and any foreign infrastructures via the internet, then that would really screw things up for an opponent in a potential attack or defense. For example, the increasing reliance on satellite GPS and communications sysems, and IIRC, the systems that control the flying drones the U.S. uses.

    Any thoughts on this? I would think that a lot of folks here would know a lot about this kind of stuff.
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    Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
    It makes wonder if these online attacks are possibly linked with the 2007 anti-satellite missile test and the U.S. satellite laser illumination 'test'?

    Here is an exerpt from a past article from globalsecurity.org:

    China is said to be acquiring a variety of foreign technologies, which could be used to develop an anti-satellite (ASAT) capability. Beijing already may have acquired technical assistance which could be applied to the development of laser radars used to track and image satellites and may be seeking an advanced radar system with the capability to track satellites in low earth orbit. It also may be developing jammers, which could be used against Global Positioning System (GPS) receivers. In addition, China already may possess the capability to damage, under specific conditions, optical sensors on satellites that are very vulnerable to damage by lasers. Beijing also may have acquired high-energy laser equipment and technical assistance, which probably could be used in the development of ground-based ASAT weapons.

    Given China's current level of interest in laser technology, Beijing probably could develop a weapon that could destroy satellites in the future. Although specific Chinese programs for laser ASAT have not been identified, press articles indicate an interest in developing this capability and Beijing may be working on appropriate technologies.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/...world/china/asat.htm

    If China can control at will both satellites through destruction or disability, and any foreign infrastructures via the internet, then that would really screw things up for an opponent in a potential attack or defense. For example, the increasing reliance on satellite GPS and communications sysems, and IIRC, the systems that control the flying drones the U.S. uses.

    Any thoughts on this? I would think that a lot of folks here would know a lot about this kind of stuff.
    Don't worry the SM-3 missile is perfectly capable of being adapted to knock out Chinese Satellites if the sh1t ever hits the fan.
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    Grifter,

    at the time we left China (2007) the big fad was hacking. Latino dancing finally died out,...thankfully. Belly dancing was still in its infancy. There were schools advertising hacking classes. The number one book at the time was about how to hack. My wife bought a copy and said it was very interesting. She's not into hacking but thought she could learn how to protect her interests on the net if she understood hackers.

    All this was completely legal in China and was even encouraged.

    So the idea was to train an a nation as an army of hackers. This is why the Chinese made a law that all pc sold in China must now have a default program installed that let's the Chinese gov into your pc when they want. In reality, it's protection against being hacked from within.

    Cute eh?
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    Originally posted by Aimail101:


    Don't worry the SM-3 missile is perfectly capable of being adapted to knock out Chinese Satellites if the sh1t ever hits the fan.
    Only if they're re-entering the atmosphere, it's an ABM system really and can't reach orbital objects, only stuff incoming or out going.
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    Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:This is why the Chinese made a law that all pc sold in China must now have a default program installed that let's the Chinese gov into your pc when they want. In reality, it's protection against being hacked from within.

    Cute eh?
    That's the Green Dam program, which has not been without it's problems. Lots of independent security and human rights organizations have shown it for what it really is: another method of forced monitoring of the internet and censorship of the Chinese people. There have also been claims that much of the Green Dam code is pirated.

    If the PLA (Chinese People's Liberation Army) is behind most of these cyber attacks, it would not really surprise me. What would surprise me is if anyone in this country would grow a set of b*lls and do something about it.
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    Originally posted by Ploughman:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:


    Don't worry the SM-3 missile is perfectly capable of being adapted to knock out Chinese Satellites if the sh1t ever hits the fan.
    Only if they're re-entering the atmosphere, it's an ABM system really and can't reach orbital objects, only stuff incoming or out going. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I said adapted The seeker and software has proven itself to be perfectly capable. It just needs longer legs. Don't know why we didn't buy the system for the Type 45! MOD being silly again.
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