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    Disregarding for the moment the utter lack of common sense in enforcing these copyrights in a freakin' game..

    Depending on the types of other games you play, this may or may not be something you are used to. In addition to flight sims, I am also an avid Nascar racing fan and play exclusively NR2003 Season by Papyrus. One thing I have always remembered from their games (there was Nascar 1, Nascar 2, Nascar 3, etc...) is when you "quit" the game credits scroll by, and there are literally pages of credits for car manufacturers, race teams (so you can have cars in the game that actually raced in real life..not fictional car teams), and the tracks. I have looked all through the installed game, and through all the documents that came with FB,AEP,PF and have found nothing but the same two copyright notes (1C and Ubisoft).

    Nascar 1 (it was just called Nascar Racing) came out before IL-2 did (the original) and even back then they were acknowleding everybody and anybody in the game, so why hasn't UBI?

    This is not a "new" thing for games, and not a "new" thing for flight sims (FLY! for example had to change the names of all of their planes).

    So, leaving emotion out for a second, based on the fact that there is a long-standing precedent for acknowleding copyrights/trademarks (i get them confused) in games, why has this NEVER been done in any of the IL-2 games?

    And more importantly..WHY CAN'T IT BE DONE NOW?????

    I'm afraid the answer to the second question is that UBI doesn't want to spend the $$$.


    This may all be nonsense, but after thinking about if for a while and going through what I know logically, this is what I have concluded.


    ps.

    I WANT A FLYABLE TBF...even if it's called the Groomean Scavenger.
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    An idea I saw posted at sinhq...

    FB and AEP boxes *never* mention US corporation names. PF box named names.

    All this happens about a month after PF releace.

    If I recall, several weeks ago Oleg said he was NOT Happy with PF box, although most had the impression that was because of Flyable G4M mistakenly listed on the box.
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    Are their copyrights on the designations (ie, Grumman doesn't own "F6F" and Vought "F4U")?
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddiemac0:
    Are their copyrights on the designations (ie, Grumman doesn't own "F6F" and Vought "F4U")? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The designation? probably not. The airframe designs? most likely YES. Those designs ARE copyright-able and were most likely registered back when the designs were drawn up.
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    According to this they "own" a number of designations such as B-24 etc

    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/fi...=0&ti=0&sc=400
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    I jumped in on a similer post a while ago. I don't think it a copyright issue, but rather a "trademark" issue. The two are VERY different in US law. The copyright has to be renewed where the trademark essentially lives on forever. Of course I am greatly condensing the issues that could face the courts, but the meaning is clear enough. UBI made a mistake, an apology and a splash on the software box would go a long way, Grumman is not against a little free publicity. All the best, LongHorn
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddiemac0:
    YES. Those designs ARE copyright-able and were most likely registered back when the designs were drawn up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sure in the 50-ies they could still be seen in that light, but 50 years later they are historical objects recreated to simulate historic events. You don't have to ask permission to model a Wildcat, Sherman or M1 rifle. They all have become part of a common history.

    The name Grumman has not...simple.
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    Seeing as I have two other games, one of them recently released on another platform, that list aircraft, by-name, from the same companies being complained about here I think this is not the aircraft companies complaining here.

    I'm betting another gaming company or publisher bought the exclusive rights to use those names and Ubisoft dropped the ball by not securing the usage rights.

    Much like Electronic Arts has exclusive rights to use NFL team names and logos...
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    I just rushed to my cupboard and brought out my Italian copy and it says clearly Gruman, Vought. etc on the back of the dvd box.This explains the panic to sell out the existing stock as quickly as possible here in Europe with this weecks UBISOFT offer straight to our desk tops,no wonder Luthier hightailed it to Siberia.
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    this is what we all received in Europe 2 days ago in our email from UBI.
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