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    F0_Dark_P's Avatar Senior Member
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    Hi guys i have been quite annoyed this couple of days the thing is that my joystick is to tall!.

    Ok my English is not the best so it is hard for me to explain.. but anyway here we go. i have a CH Fighter stick, it is not that i dont love it, i have not had a better quality joystick then the CH but when i have the stick standing on my desk it gets to high up for me and it is hard for me to make small precise moments with it.

    I have somewhat fixed it with holding it down the base and changed the firing buttons to the "pinky finger button", and the "thumb hat switch" and discarding the rest of the buttons.

    This works ok but it is not ergonomically 100%, so i am looking for a joystick that fills my needs but i cant find any small sticks like that , all i find is arcade style sticks like my old Amiga 500 Tack 2 stick http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAC-2

    No! i am looking for a good quality stick like the CH Fighter stick, but half the hight, no bigger then my hand and with more buttons then two.

    Do you guys know if there is anything like this exists out there?

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    Taller chair?
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    Tried that but then my knees are crushed under the desk...
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    I guess I'm not the only one who's noticed that all the high-end sticks look like they're made for a 7 foot tall guy. Using a cheapo Logitech Extreme 3D Pro because it is perfect ergonomically, though nowhere near as precise as something like a CH. It does have more buttons, but not a ton of hat switches like the Fighterstick (not sure what the purpose of having multiple hats is anyway).
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    I think it would be hard to find a 'short' joystick. You might want to try putting the stick on your keyboard tray, which is usually 5-10cm lower than your desktop.

    I have a desk with a slideout keyboard tray. When I'm playing a flight sim, I move the keyboard to the desktop and put my Combatstick, Pro Throttle and Saitek Game Commander on the keyboard tray. I cut a T-shaped piece of 1/2" (13mm) plywood to keep the tray from sliding back in, and cut out squares to put the stick and throttle in, so they don't move around too much.

    I find it to be very ergonomic; my stick and throttle are always in the same place when I play, and the keyboard is still in reach (although I rarely use it--the Game Commander gives me another 20+ buttons to assign).

    If your desk doesn't have a keyboard tray, I have seen heavy duty plastic ones that can be added to a desk or table at computer and office supply stores.

    cheers

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    Using a cheapo Logitech Extreme 3D Pro because it is perfect ergonomically, though nowhere near as precise as something like a CH. It does have more buttons, but not a ton of hat switches like the Fighterstick (not sure what the purpose of having multiple hats is anyway).
    Frank, the hats are extra buttons you can assign what you would have use the keyboard for now; my Combatstick has the one 4-way hat on the top; I use it for toggling the gunsight settings on the left position, toggling FOV by pushing it to the right, radio comms by pushing it forward, and Wide FOV (saves time when you need to look around RIGHT NOW) when I click it back. I can do all these things without having to look at what I'm doing, as I would with the keyboard button assignments, after taking my hand off the throttle. The stick alone gives me perfectly placed triggers for both cannon and MGs, plus 10 more buttons to assign as I wish (again, since I have a TIR, the POV hat becomes another 4-way hat, which is used for elevator and rudder trim buttons).

    Between the three 4-way hats (the 8-way POV hat is used like a regular 4-way hat) on my Pro Throttle, I have things like prop pitch, supercharger, gunsight reticule, flaps, mixture,and centering for my TrackIR at the fingers of my left hand without taking it off the throttle or my eyes off the screen.

    Because of where I place the stick and throttle, I think that my setup is much more physically comfortable and higher quality than it would be if I just settled for a short stick. It also gives me over 30 no-look buttons for various controls, which is no small thing either.

    If you're going to buy a quality stick, as FO_Dark_P has, the thing to do is to make best use of it by putting it where it is most comfortable for you to control it instead of having it where your arm and shoulder are at uncomfortable angles.

    cheers

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    I recently got a CH combatstick, it's definitely massive and hurt my hand at first but I've gotten used to it and really like it, it's very loose and fluid.

    I used to use a Logitech 3D Extreme Pro, much cheaper than the CH stick and pedals. The stick is probably as tall or taller than the CH one, but the top area of it with all the buttons and triggers is much smaller and fits easily inside my hand. With the CH one I feel like I really have to reach around to hit some of the buttons, again I'm used to it now but it doesn't feel like a natural fit in my hand like the Logitech stick did. Maybe take a look at other Logitech sticks. The twist on the 3D extreme pro is ok and saves you a ton of money on rudder pedals, but it hurt my wrist eventually and wasn't really good for much more than landing because it wasn't as precise for rudder as pedals, also it's hard to get used to.
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    Another alternative is to fix the joystick to a piece of plywood or similar, and have that on your lap. This is what I use. It is big enough (30 cm x 45 cm x 1 cm) and heavy enough that it doesn't move around. I've also got a gamepad fixed to it as a second controller.
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    Originally posted by AndyJWest:
    Another alternative is to fix the joystick to a piece of plywood or similar, and have that on your lap. This is what I use. It is big enough (30 cm x 45 cm x 1 cm) and heavy enough that it doesn't move around. I've also got a gamepad fixed to it as a second controller.
    I could try to get something like that when i go to work tomorrow and try

    But it is not exactly what i need i think, i want a short stick so i can rest my hand on the desk at the same time as i hold the stick

    something like this http://www.gsna.com/products/joysticks.aspx but i need more buttons and hat switches

    btw before someone comments about it, i have thought of a xbox controller but the axes sucks you wont get the same precision like the CH stick
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