1. #111
    Of course they wanted him dead on the spot, despite being unarmed. Had he been apprehended alive, he'd have to be tried, proved guilty and only then executed.
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    Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    The great majority of people shot through the brain with a high velocity bullet do die very quickly. Note the exceptions as being just that, exceptions.

    I watched Robert Kennedy go down to .22 shorts fired from a short barrel pistol and I can tell you that he didn't live long.
    Yes the majority do, I was just correcting a miss held view that that is always the case. Unless a major artery is hit the shot will cause unconsciousness followed by death. As the victim will stop breathing which will cause brain death via asphyxiation. If the the victims still breathing intermittently, and the hearts still beating and theres blood flow to the brain then it's going to take a while longer. LOTS and LOTS of variables.

    It took Robert Kennedy 26 HOURS to die btw after receiving bone and bullet fragments to the brain.

    So....NYAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Get your facts right. Yer picking the wrong subject to argue with me about.
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    With hydrostatic shock the bullet doesn't have to hit a major artery. In general the brain gets jellied by the same shock wave that blows the exit side of the skull off and most of the brain with it.

    26 hours is a long time? You are young!
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    Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    With hydrostatic shock the bullet doesn't have to hit a major artery. In general the brain gets jellied by the same shock wave that blows the exit side of the skull off and most of the brain with it.

    26 hours is a long time? You are young!
    I know all about hydrostatic shock.

    That's a long time to be bleeding out and having bullets lodged in you. What I was saying anyway that you managed to misinterpret is that a glancing shot, or a round passing through only a small portion of the brain is not going to necessarily kill someone. Doctors are not going to look at someone who has a hole in their head and assume they are already dead. "OMGZ the brain has been turned to jelly". Actually the permanent cavity is relatively small compared the transient cavity and the brain is relatively plastic and also separated into two halves. Arteries are strong and not always easily ruptured by hydrostatic shock.

    I'd say 26 hours is pretty long for a violent death like that, 60 seconds of bleeding out isn't very nice or exactly quick either.
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    white house is changing the Narrative now. Turns out Ben Ladin was unarmed.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...mc=politicsemailema1
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    After viewing the media I couldn't help but think that the way the twin towers came down points to other means than the planes as causes for their fall
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    Just to add gunshot wounds to the cranium have a 92 percent mortality rate, with only 74 percent dieing quickly at the scene.
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    Originally posted by DrHerb:
    Seeing that, it can prove that there is too much naivety happening. Not pointing fingers at you Messa, just calling it as I see it.
    Aw, come on Herb, at least admit you were farting in my general direction!

    Seriously, I'm not being naive here. Osama Bin Laden was a bully, and his followers are bullies who enforce their ideas and way with violence to keep others in line. Killing him and his followers won't do anything but give ordinary folks at home hope that there is actually other folks who do care, who have the ability, means, drive and nerve to do something about it when someone else decides to terrorize them, and also gives terrorists something to think about if they gets that itch to terrorize again. It just happens that Al Qaeda, et al got embarrassed that someone important they thought they hidden away under the noses of everybody got nailed because given enough time, they'll get sloppy and make careless mistakes just like anybody else. Most likely they'll turn Bin Laden into a martyr to rally behind as long as there are U.S. troops and allies in the Middle East.

    Maybe this'll illustrate why folks are joking now about Bin Laden with the cartoons etc:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvDpiUD3lJs

    "Well, that isn't a new truck, but I sure do feel better."
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    Personally I don't see the death of bin Laden as any sort of victory. I suppose sooner than later someone in-the-know will tally up the costs in terms of money and lives, thereby making the bigger picture more obvious.

    "Justice has been done"

    I'm beginning to think I have a warped sense of justice.

    Edit: From 9/11 To Osama Bin Laden's Death, Congress Spent $1.28 Trillion In War On Terror

    Unfortunately no mention of lives directly or indirectly sacrificed.
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    Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
    Personally I don't see the death of bin Laden as any sort of victory. I suppose sooner than later someone in-the-know will tally up the costs in terms of money and lives, thereby making the bigger picture more obvious.

    "Justice has been done"

    I'm beginning to think I have a warped sense of justice.

    Edit: From 9/11 To Osama Bin Laden's Death, Congress Spent $1.28 Trillion In War On Terror

    Unfortunately no mention of lives directly or indirectly sacrificed.
    The man is gone and for that I find a melancholic satisfaction. He was a bad man responsible for a lot of bad things. They've been discussed here before so there's no reason to go over them again. In that sense justice has been served.

    But I look at the cost. I'm not elated. I'm hardly patriotic concerning this. It's not a football game to whoop over. People died in numerous attack by this man. Wars started. People were displaced. Civilians were made casualties. Friends separated over differences this thing started. Our nation that once hung bows or solidarity now hate the others ideas and ideals. Our country has lost face. We're going broke. Our boys came home bruised, battered, and beaten both physically and mentally.

    No. I'm not celebrating. I feel like I've just fought a battle with cancer and won. It's the stoic feeling that this part of what's happened is over. Now what. Numbness sets in.

    I'm thankful Osama's gone but I can't rejoice. So I silently offer my appreciation to those soldiers who did what was done with the hope that they'll all be home very soon.
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