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    Does anyone suppose we'll be able to use the Hellcat's gear as dive brakes in the future? The manual says to lower gear at 135 knots or less so the gear will lock down. Pilots in combat would trail the gear at higher speeds for braking effect . . .



    Also, some late -5's were made with 4x0.50's and 2x20mm's. And (to go on and on ) Tiny Tims were used by Hellcats, too . . .


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    F6F-5N nightfighters carried 2x20mm + 4x.50-unlike F-4U-1C/-4B, no Hellcat dayfighters used cannon.

    As for the trailing the landing gear as an airbrake, I haven't heard that one connected to the F6F. I expect that in Il-2FB/AEP/PF, lowering the gear at high speeds would result in the loss or damage to the gear. I think you'd be able to get away with it in the Corsair, altho the airbrake option might be better (I don't recall the particulars for the game, altho the Corsairs' had the forward landing gear doors deployable as airbrakes, and specially braced for that use).

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    The final (can't find production numbers or b.no's) -5 (apparently not just -5N) weapons loadout was two 20's and four .50's. Just what I've read (including Jane's).




    As for gear, it breaks off in game. Corsair landing gear (G key) can be lowered at any speed.


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    While all -5 Hellcats made provision for a 20mm in the inboard gun on each wing, the installation was rare on day fighters. I found no mention by Barrett Tillman in any of his works on the naval fighters, Rich Dann's F6F Walkaround, or Bert Kinzey's Detail & Scale #49, F6F Hellcat. Only the 1,450 -5Ns were likely to have it, and not all of them did.

    Jane's are generalists; when you want to know something specific, you go to the specialists.

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    The Navy's own document suggests that the standard late armament is 2x20mm and 4x.50cal.

    To quote -
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"Some planes have 6-.50cal. guns instead of mixed battery". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    This was after an asterisk on the armament, which was listed as the above cannon/MG mix.

    No date is provided on the document, but clearly the late production armament had changed.
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    And (to continue the armament thread, er . . . anyway) . . . Sounds like more than a few 5N's had the 20's switched back to .50's due to feed problems and lack of flash hiders. My impression is that maybe the last two Bu.No. groups (or so) were convertables, not just in armament but maybe even between -5 and -5N. Kind of like the Tigercat -3/-3N's that could switch back and forth. That would allow an Air Group to adjust assets on the fly.


    But so what - - - I want my Hellcat air brakes. That would be nice. That and not forgetting to REDUCE my Speedy D's throttle while dive bombing. Things can be so difficult.



    (You're a good fact checker, horseback. Thanks.)
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
    As for the trailing the landing gear as an airbrake, I haven't heard that one connected to the F6F. I expect that in Il-2FB/AEP/PF, lowering the gear at high speeds would result in the loss or damage to the gear. I think you'd be able to get away with it in the Corsair, altho the airbrake option might be better .... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    On the Corsair the airbrake IS the landing gear, but when you use the airbrake key it extends without locking down. Consequently it's not a good idea to have the airbrake engaged when landing the Corsair .
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
    Consequently it's not a good idea to have the airbrake engaged when landing the Corsair . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I actually did that online without realizing it. lol

    I was using the brake, well, as a brake, and, thinking it was the landing gear, thought nothing more of it. Once I was down and rolling on all points I noticed it seemed a bit off, so I hit externals and saw the *** dragging and making sparks because the tail wheel didn't come down. doh! lol
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