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    I'm working on a Stalingrad DF Map, for the Winds of War Server, that takes place during Paulus' drive across the Don River on 21 August 1942. I have researched the German plane set pretty well, and plan to include the following:

    Ju-88A-4
    Ju-87D-3
    Bf-110G-2
    Bf-109E-7/B
    Bf-109-G2

    For the VVS, I have not had as much luck on the resaerch, but plan to include:

    Mig-3AM-38
    Yak-1
    Yak-7B
    LaGG-3 1941 (4 series)
    LaGG-3 1941 (29 series)
    IL-2M 1942 (1st series)
    IL-2 1941 (Series 3)
    IL-2 1941 (field mod.)
    Pe-2 (when available)

    Would like you opinion on historical accuracy and play-balance.
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    I'd be wary of the MiG-3 as procution had stopped early in 1942 (due to the needs of the Il-2 production). Otherwise it looks fine. he initial La-5 also made its combat debut there, but I don't know how many of them were at Stalingrad.
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    Please if you have any links about german and USSR AC numbers, operations etc post them here. I'm more interested in the winter Stalingrad campaign but any info would be greatly appreciated.
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    I'm virtually certain Hurricanes were being used by the VVS before the fall of Pitomnik and Gumrak(sp?) airfields, but this is some time later than your timeframe - in the winter.

    Wouldn't Romanian Axis units fit into your timeframe in the northern sector?
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    In The book Graf and Grislawsski by Christer Bergstrom, Vlad Antipov and Claes Sundin some references to Soviet aircraft are given which you might finf useful.

    Yak-1 was flown by 4 IAP with the ace Sultan Ahmet Khan among other pilots.

    The new La-5 was sent to Stalingrad and the 287 IAD with 27 IAP, 240 IAP, 247 IAP and 437 IAP at Verkhnyaya airport. Graf shot down his first two La-5 on 8 September followed by two more on 9 September. On 10 September two more fell to his guns over Stalingrad.

    270 BAD flew Pe-2.

    And there were P-40s:
    On the 11 September Graf of III/ JG52 took off from Pitomnik, witnessed two Bf 109s from another unit being shot down by the gunners of 270 BAD Pe-2s over an industrial area of Stalingrad. Graf shot down one Pe-2 but the unit was then attacked by P-40s of 731 IAP pilots from 102 IAD. Graf damaged one P-40 at 16:09.

    And I-16s:
    On 14 September Graf had a fight with 629 IAP I-16s and shot down two of them early in the day.

    And I-153s:
    On 15 September Graf met a mixed formation of I-16 and 1-153 from 102 IAD-PVO and bounced them while preparing to attack some Ju 88s. Graf shot down one I-16, at 06.35 hours. One young German pilot was shot down and killed by another I-16. Graf shot down an I-153 a few minutes later. Later on the same mission the encountered a group of LaGG-3s and Graf shot down one of them.

    And Su-2s:
    On 16 Sepember Graf led eight 109s in an attack on Su-2s from 270 BAD over Stalingrad. He shot down one of the when P-40s mixed in to the fight. A P-40 shot down Graf's wing man who bailed out and landed in the Volga why he was captured by the Russians. Graf shot down a P-40 right afterwards but was again attacked and damaged by another P-40 and had to abandon the fight. Another P-40 was shot down by three other 109s when on their return flight.

    On 17 September Graf claimed two Yak-1 and one LaGG-3.

    on 18 September the Soviets launched the ground offensive against Kotluban with heavy air activity. More than 1/3 of the Soviet Il-2s of 228 ShAD and 291 ShAD were put out of action. 77 victories claimed by Luftwaffe for one loss, Graf shot down two LaGG-3s and one Il-2 this day.

    On 19 September Graf was chasing Il-2s at low altitude over the Volga river when his 109 was hit by ground fire but he managed to return to base.

    On 21 September Graf claimed three Yak-1s and an Il-2.
    On 22 September an I-16 of 629 IAP was shot down by Graf.
    On 25 September a fight between a group of thirty soviet fighters and a group of Ju 87s took place near Lesnaya NW of Stalingrad. Among them were probably La-5s of 239 IAP which claimed five Stukas. Graf claimed two La-5s at 14:41 and 14:46. Three of the Stukas were lost and seven damaged.

    In the morning hours of 26 September Graf took of with his wing man, spotted a formation of I-153s which they attacked. Graf claimed one as his 200th victory and his wingman Wolf one. The Soviet report claimed they suffered no loss or gain in this fight. The last 3 operational I-153s in Stalingrad area was from 629 IAP on this day.

    Graf was shortly after taken out of the front flying, being very exhausted, close to breaking down.

    I hope the above can give some ideas around your project. At least some more Soviet planes to involve.

    I can also recommend the book Graf and Grislawski A pair of Aces.
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    Cujo.Yes almost 100 Romanian aircraft were base on the Stalingrad front in the Corpul Aeriana de Lupta (CAR).
    Gropul 7 v. with Escadrile 56, 57 and 58 with Bf109 Es (E-3 and E-7 as far as I know)
    Gropul 8 v. with Escadrile 41, 42 and 60 with IAR 80 A and B
    Gropul 6 bopi with Escadrile 61 and 62 with IAR81s and som 109E

    Source: Romanian Aces of WW2, Denes Bernad, Osprey Aircraft Of The Aces 54.
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    You might find this useful on the MiG-3: http://www.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/mig3/mig3.html

    I went looking for Stalingrad Mig-3 information but I didn't come up with much. I'm fairly certain that at least a few Mig-3's were present...but as to how many I'm not sure.
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    Valuable infos, thanks!
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    S!Great stuff guys...1st Stalingrad map is now up on the WOW Server, and this info will be invaluable for follow-ons.
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    Some interesting Romanian info from http://www.worldwar2.ro/ Looks like most of USSR fighters they encountered were Yaks:


    "Despite all these problems the 6th Fighter Group had reached the Tusov airfield, near Stalingrad, on7 September. The first two missions were flown two days later, totalling 8 sorties. But the first victories came on 13 September when slt. av. Olimp Avram and adj. av. Pompiliu Georgescu each shot down one Yak during a free hunt mission (of the three flown that day). Also adj. av. Gheorghe Pisoschi claimed a Soviet bomber, but it remained unconfirmed.

    The next day was even more prolific, the pilots of the 61st Fighter Squadron claiming four Yaks, for the loss of one aircraft. On 15 September another four bomber escort missions (with 14 sorties), another three Yaks claimed (of which two confirmed) and another loss: adj. av. Nicolae Solomon. The following day (16 September) the pilots of the 62nd Fighter Squadron clashed with 6 Yak-1s, claiming four of them.

    On 17 September the 6th Fighter Group flew four bomber escort missions (16 sorties). During the second one, the four IAR-81s engaged four Yaks and adj. stg. av. Florian Budu shot down one. By 1944 he became the highest scoring IAR ace with 16 victories. The third mission was practically identical and slt. av. Ioan Grama scored his first kill. On the last mission of the day, as they were returning to base, the four IAR-81s stumbled upon a formation of 10-12 Soviet bombers and before their escorts could intervene, slt. av. Mircea Dumitrescu shot down a Pe-2. The group also suffered a loss, when slt. av. Olimpiu Avram crash landed his IAR-81 no. 237 near German forward position. But because the Soviets managed to occupy the area for a short while, the aircraft was lost. During the night, 7 or 8 bombers attacked the airfield, lightly damaging one fighter.

    The group suffered two losses the following day, one of the pilots being listed as MIA. The other managed to safely bail out. Two days later, another pilot, slt. av. Mihai Weber, was declared MIA, after a bomber escort mission.

    The Romanian pilots took their revenge on 27 September, when two IAR-81s clashed with 15 Yaks over Stalingrad. Slt. av. Olimpiu Avram managed to shoot down one of the Soviet fighters, but adj. av. Anghel Niculescu was wounded. He, however, managed to make an emergency landing. The airplane was repairable. The escort missions continued the next days without problems.

    On 1 October, the 6th Fighter Group had 25 IAR-81s in its inventory.

    Two days later 10 IAR-81s (six in the first mission and four in the second) hit targets in Stalingrad, while other two flew a free hunting mission. In the morning of 4 October seven IAR-81s struck Soviet positions north of the city. Three hours later another six dive-bombers attacked the same area, with good results. One aircraft was damaged by Soviet AAA. The next day, at 0700, four IAR-81s took off with the mission to bomb the Stalingrad Tractor Factory. The AA defence was very strong and two of the airplanes were damaged, but they all scored direct hits.

    The group moved to Morozovskaya airfield for winter. But during the following days they also used the Bakovskaya and Pereleasovsky airfields, in order to be able to execute all the escort missions they were required to.

    After the Red Army broke the front in November 1942, the group was employed in ground attack and recon missions, when the weather permitted. Thus was lost adj. sef av. Vasile Truica, who was shot down by AAA north of Chernicherskaya.

    They started December with two bomber escort missions on 1 and one escort mission the second day. On 6 December, the 8th Fighter Group started to prepare to return home, leaving some of its pilots to the 6th Fighter Group.

    A very odd event occurred on 7 December, when, during an escort mission, adj. av. Gheorghe Pisoschi got lost in the myst and stumbled upon three Yaks. He attacked them by surprise, hit one which collided with a second one, both exploding and going down in flames. The same day another dogfight took place between two IAR-81s escorting some He-111s and two Yaks, the Soviets being forced to disengage.

    Because of the fact that the number of serviceable aircraft had declined drastically, the 6th Fighter Group was reorganized with material transferred from the 8th Fighter Group, which left on 9 December. The 61st Fighter Squadron received IAR-80A & Bs, while all the IAR-81s were amassed in the 62nd.

    The IARs continued to escort Romanian He-111s and German Stukas the next days. Fighting peaked on 12 December when were flown also five dive-bomber missions by the 62nd Squadron. The village Nis - Kalinovsky was set on fire, while the village Zhubovsky was attacked four times. A Yak was claimed by the IARs escorting their colleagues. The next day the group executed 14 missions (45 sorties), of which four in direct support of Romanian ground forces struggling on the river Chir (the 2nd Corps). Four tanks were destroyed and effects on another armored column could not be onserved. The rest were bomber escort missions. Only two were free hunts. During the last one 3 UAR-80s clashed with Yaks, claiming three (but only one was confirmed later).

    On 20 December, the group enjoyed some considerable success. At 0830 8 IAR-80s took off on an escort mission for Romanian JRS-79Bs which were supposed to attack Bukovsky. At 0900 the formation was attacked by 5 Yaks. Two minutes later another four Yaks joined the dogfight. However, two Soviet fighters were shot down by slt. av. Baciu and by adj. av. Cocebas. At 0915 another 3 Yaks attacked and adj. av. Cocebas bagged his second victory that day. But they spotted two Il-4s, unescorted and slt. Baciu attacked, claiming one of them. However, it was not confirmed and it remained only a probable kill. Later that day, during another escort mission, 7 IAR-80Bs clashed with 7 Yak-1s, each side losing one aircraft.

    The intense activity of the 6th Fighter Group drawed the attention of the VVS, which the following day replied by bombing the Morozovskaya airfield. The returning IARs chased the bombers away, adj. Gheorghe Cocebas scoring his fifth kill. It was also the last kill of the 6th Fighter Group in the 1942 campaign.

    On 23 December the unit moved to the Tatchinskaya airfield, where it remained until the end of the year. On 2 January the group moved once again, this time to Rostov. "
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