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    Falcon 4.0.
    Well what can I say? The older guys here will remember maybe some of younger will know the new Falcon AF.
    10 years is ago the worlds best most realistic sim came out and it was great.. Had the biggest online community and the most servers of any game, yep even better that air warrior 3!!

    Then the MODS and USER MADE PATCHES came along!!

    A 5 year high was brough down by people dinken with the sim in the honest effort to make it better..
    Shortly after one group came another then another.. Well then servers started to dissapear because nobody knew where to play there version and .. EXTINCTION

    If this is to remain viable then the mods must be tied in with the team diadlos patches. otherwise ,, will you have your IL-2 and I have mine but we cant play..Because there different and that sucks!!
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    Hmmmm 5 years huh... well I think this sim already has that beat..It has been peaking for the past 6 or 7 years at least.. The issues that you are concerned with are being addressed.. but in may ways I agree with you... and for me DT will always be the final say.. I just hope tat whatever mods there are will be compatible with DT's work.. otherwise the last DT compatible mod pack will be what I am using as far as mods go...
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    I see where this is going...

    The one big difference here is that Falcon 5.0 never came out, but IL2's replacement is pretty far along in it's development. Granted, there's no iron-clad guarantee that BoB:SoW will be released, but I wouldn't bet against it.
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    Ok the time frame is out but the story is the same.. And you right Bearcat99 this has it beat, but WHY??? Because untill in the last caleder year we have all had the same thing!! and I do agree with Mods but I think the mods should be submitted to DT and relaesed with patches.

    As for Jarink. Yes you are right as well but in a post right here on these boards the other day I read about plans to MOD SOW already!!
    Its not even out yet and its not good enough for whoever it was..

    Im just pointing out that this has happend befor where things get out of hand and 3 even 6 months ago some were comenting on it and everybody said it would balence out. Well it will not. and has not.
    If AAA comes out with a UI for 409 and some have it but some have one of the others then some people will have 408 with mods and some 409 no mods,,yada yada oh ya thats whar we are at .
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    By the way Not against mods but am for some control.
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    IBTL

    I'm new to Il-2, about 4 months and its been out since 2001?

    If the Falcon thing happened, it hasn't yet. IL-2 will only die once everyone realizes how cool BOB SOW is and move on.

    The sequel that does everything the old and much better + new features really helps.

    Also I think IL-2 communities and modders have realized the mistakes of the Falcon Incident, and you can see they are trying some cohesiveness.

    Gotta remember 10 years ago, the INternets was a different place, online gaming didn't have established rules, server admins had more power and communities didn't have a choice so they HAD to go with what admins directed . . . there was less adds and the economy was good.

    It was said when they 1337 h4x0red IL-2's source, it would be dead by now, and it was haxored in 2006?

    Even after BOB SOW, IL-2 will be around for quite sometime, catering to those with tastes Battle of Britian can't do . . . until the new series has "my favorite theater" come out.

    As for modding BOB SOW, I think Oleg n Co already are addressing it ... they have tools to mod / make your own campaigns but they also have online locks and tools to make sure its legit . . . you can have your uberplane but online its all official.

    They're still watching IL-2 but from a distance, letting Team D run the show.

    Not so with BOB SOW, its their new baby. Anyone trying to tarnish it w/ weaksauce mods or fragment that new community they will cry foul, and call out to the community and everyone will come n together now and crush the evil doers.
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    I'm not familiar with Falcon 4 and its travesty. what i don't quite understand is how people fear that Il2 could meet a similar demise.

    Here's why i think not:

    All mods run off the same root version of the game.
    A server that uses 4.09m with mods, is the same no matter what pack you use. I can still play Joe Schmoe if he uses Super Pack 8, and i'm using Modest Pack 11. (fictional names)

    I think people have this fear because a lot of servers are still using 4.08 or 4.09b1. As long as the servers run older versions of the game, then we might see some fragmentation. I wasn't familiar with Il2 when they went from 4.07 to 4.08, but i've read some really old posts that seem to indicate similar circumstances where some servers chose to run 4.07 for a while even when the new 4.08 patch was available.

    I think in time every server will be running 4.09m (mods or not) and this fear of fragmentation will go away.



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    Judas, there are a lot of Chicken Littles around here.
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    The rumors about the death or Falcon are greatly greatly exaggerated. If fact the Falcon community is alive, well, and growing thanks to mods like Free Falcon 5 and Open Falcon.

    But there are lessons the IL-2 community can learn from the fragmentation of the Falcon community. Namely when ego trumps cohesion then the community as a whole suffers. A better mouse trap is never a good thing if it comes at the expense of damaging the community for which it was intended.
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