How d'you know they are?Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Supporting a president specifically because he's democrat and not repuplican is a bad reason to endorse someone.
mabe they just like the plan and find it worthwhile to support.
That's said to have happened in the past. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're correct. I could be wrong, but past experience leads me to believe I'm more right than wrong.
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment,we have borrowed against future generations and need to be thoughtful in our decisions.Originally posted by knightflyte:
I think you guys are missing the point. The topic isn't about healthcare but CELEBRITIES endorsing President Obama's plan.
I know there are conservatives who'll go kicking and screaming against the inevitable (we WILL get NHC no matter how loud the protests get) but there are some (like me) who want to make sure that the process we follow to impliment any health care doesn't cause irrepairable fiscal damage.
Now that the country has taken the first steps toward NHC I think it prudent to NOT rush through it. (Haven't we learned anything by rushing things through Congress?)
With these last two stimulous packages costing generations of taxpayers, it is well advised to move forward carefully. I still believe we are on shaky financial ground.
Celebrities need to understand this. Supporting a president specifically because he's democrat and not repuplican is a bad reason to endorse someone. I personally believe many act on that principal. Remember the 'I Pledge' video about 8 months ago? That was an anti Bush message more than it was an I support Obama. If they were so politically/patriotically concerned they'd have pledged during any administration.
To me that is the thrust of the topic..... not our bouncing back and forth pro and con on NHC.
The emotional off the cuff partisan rhetoric which seems to be dominating this issue has no place in healthy debate.
Celebrity endorsement of political issues is irresponsible and helps to build ignorance towards the actual fundamentals of these matters.
IMHO of course.
This has been the case in my experience over the years when I needed to use private healthcare here in the U.S. More than a few times I have had to wait 45+ minutes when there was some sort of snag or emergency with the patients that were there earlier at the office. As you said, it was no big deal to have to wait. The difference always being that there were never any aviation magazines.Originally posted by AndyJWest:
When I arrive, I may have to wait maybe 15 minutes beyond the intended appointment time if I'm unlucky, but I will read one of the aviation magazines in reception while I wait, so this is no great issue for me.
The only rags the offices had that would interest me would be something like 'Car and Driver' issues that were three or more years old by the time I was reading them.![]()
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment,we have borrowed against future generations and need to be thoughtful in our decisions.Originally posted by TS_Sancho:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
I think you guys are missing the point. The topic isn't about healthcare but CELEBRITIES endorsing President Obama's plan.
I know there are conservatives who'll go kicking and screaming against the inevitable (we WILL get NHC no matter how loud the protests get) but there are some (like me) who want to make sure that the process we follow to impliment any health care doesn't cause irrepairable fiscal damage.
Now that the country has taken the first steps toward NHC I think it prudent to NOT rush through it. (Haven't we learned anything by rushing things through Congress?)
With these last two stimulous packages costing generations of taxpayers, it is well advised to move forward carefully. I still believe we are on shaky financial ground.
Celebrities need to understand this. Supporting a president specifically because he's democrat and not repuplican is a bad reason to endorse someone. I personally believe many act on that principal. Remember the 'I Pledge' video about 8 months ago? That was an anti Bush message more than it was an I support Obama. If they were so politically/patriotically concerned they'd have pledged during any administration.
To me that is the thrust of the topic..... not our bouncing back and forth pro and con on NHC.
The emotional off the cuff partisan rhetoric which seems to be dominating this issue has no place in healthy debate.
Celebrity endorsement of political issues is irresponsible and helps to build ignorance towards the actual fundamentals of these matters.
IMHO of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+2
I never understood why people would listen to celebrities and actors endorsing politics for the most part, because actors are doing what they do best, and that is in giving a convincing performance for the audience. The celebrities, whatever their claim to fame, are banking that their fans will listen to whatever they are saying because their fame lends more weight and wisdom to their words. Sometimes this 'celebrity worship' can dovetail right in with the 'cult of personality' (for good or bad, depending on your point of view) considering where the internet in general and websites like Youtube can spread the word.
The times I start actually paying attention to celebrities and whatever they are saying is when they run as a candidate (and sometimes win) for political office.
For the record, I think that Will Rogers knew better than to run for office, but Ronald Reagan didn't.![]()
Without wishing to cause offence, I can explain that. It was simply the doctor's way of telling your co-worker to grow a pair. Just because health care in Europe is free at the point of delivery doesn't mean the medics will gladly tolerate time wasters.Originally posted by foxyboy1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
While it was not me, a coworker had to deal with nationalized health care in The Netherlands. He was sick and had a sore throat, and coughing. The local doctor prescribed him Xanax, a anxiety pill so he could get some sleep. The Dutch pay between 40 and 50% in taxes. Is this really something we need here?
Most of us, from time to time, will get sore throats, coughs, headaches, nausea etc. Most of the time these minor ailments will clear up on their own, without treatment. Everybody knows that, yes? The Dutch doctor knew that, and that's why he wasn't overly concerned by your co-workers symptoms. The fact that your co-worker went to see the doctor in the first place suggests he was anxious about it. So the doctor treated his anxiety. Sounds like the doctor did the right thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
While I simplified my co-workers symptoms, it sounded like he had bronchitis honestly. If you ever had bronchitis (it has put me in the hospital when I was young), you know how bad it can get. Someone going to a doctor does not mean that they are anxious.
I also agree that the way most people take antibiotics, we now have more drug resistant strains and need stronger drugs to get rid of it. Before I left Holland, I was starting to get a sore throat and started getting congested. While I cleared up, thankfully, I was worried that I would get stuck over there until I was well enough to travel and not get the proper stuff for treatment (I seem to get bronchitis once a year lately for some odd reason).
While the Dutch do pay large amount in taxes, it is not all towards health care, but enough of it does. How many people in the US can live on 50-60% of their salary? Those who work at McDonalds couldn't.
I think it has more to do with that these people who live in Hollyweird than anything else. They have NO IDEA of what real life is. Just like the politico's and rich MoFo's who don't have to bustbutt 12 hours per day for minimum wage.
I just wish they would STFU and make movies or whatever and try not to tell us who to vote for or not. If I made 20 million a year, I can also talk smack to the po'people too!
Phillip