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[Kickass.Hoppa]

(-(-.(-.-').-')-')!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

those armored arty just sucks in killing stuff, 15 15$ arty just kill all vehicle and inf armor in one barage. if they can get in range with the priest they can even kill the 1 armor pretty fast

[wu-scherge]

Originally posted by Kickass.Hoppa:
(-(-.(-.-').-')-')!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

those armored arty just sucks in killing stuff, 15 15$ arty just kill all vehicle and inf armor in one barage. if they can get in range with the priest they can even kill the 1 armor pretty fast

no. no. no.
they dont. cuz they NEVER get in the range.
its like sayin oh sturmgrenadier is so great. it kills the 50$ king tiger, if he gets in range.

[Kickass.Hoppa]

Originally posted by wu-scherge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kickass.Hoppa:
(-(-.(-.-').-')-')!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

those armored arty just sucks in killing stuff, 15 15$ arty just kill all vehicle and inf armor in one barage. if they can get in range with the priest they can even kill the 1 armor pretty fast

no. no. no.
they dont. cuz they NEVER get in the range.
its like sayin oh sturmgrenadier is so great. it kills the 50$ king tiger, if he gets in range. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

why cant they get in range? for example, you have ruse cards for that.

and i wont ever make 15 of them cause they are already effective when you have 5.
you could also come 1v1 then as you know evrything better you should learn me some stuff.

[wu-scherge]

Originally posted by Kickass.Hoppa:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wu-scherge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kickass.Hoppa:
(-(-.(-.-').-')-')!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

those armored arty just sucks in killing stuff, 15 15$ arty just kill all vehicle and inf armor in one barage. if they can get in range with the priest they can even kill the 1 armor pretty fast

and i wont ever make 15 of them cause they are already effective when you have 5.
you could also come 1v1 then as you know evrything better you should learn me some stuff. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


oh and last thing, to proove my point i would have to loose against you.

no. no. no.
they dont. cuz they NEVER get in the range.
its like sayin oh sturmgrenadier is so great. it kills the 50$ king tiger, if he gets in range. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

why cant they get in range? for example, you have ruse cards for that.



i am sorry, i didnt mean to sound like mr. knowitall (which i did actually).

but besides this argumentum ad hominem, you have ruse cards too. and a unit called willies jeep.

[Alcarin21]

I have come with an idea for how to delay/prevent this ''magical IWIN'' button that some people ''cry'' about and i would like to hear some comments

How about switching Priest/m40 with Long tom from Prototype base.

That would perhaps make Prototype base something a USA player would perhaps go for and would delay USA ball as some call it quite alot imo.

Since Long tom if researched in AA base would be very vulnerable to enemy Artillery aswell which would remove the need to go suicide runs to nuke either their air or arty.

In general i feel USA has the least research and can pump out pretty much any units from start of making only the building req.

So I made a list of some changes that i think are quite appropriate(i described the one i support the most above).

- switch Priest/m40 with long tom
- Willy to 10$
- M16 symbolic 30 sec research and 25$ cost(for research ofc)
- Jacksons 75$ research cost and 25$ per unit

I think if 2 of those 4 changes happen then noone could say USA is OP anymore, however i still do not think USA is OP, it is just slightly better than all other nations.

But it has an OP Heavy tank though, which should never happen in my opinion it simply neglects all germany tanks which is not right.

Feel free to post constructive comments

[ihcsO]

I don't really like that idea. It puts 2 armored artillery units into the prototype base.

My main problem with the long tom would be that I need 3 guppies to take it out while the M40 only needs 1 guppy. But that is probably a deficit of the guppies, it is pretty bad vs. everything except vehicles, armor 1 (if they are not in woods) or other FBs.
Also why get the M40 when you can just get the calliope from the proto base? Calliopes annihilate everything, hit better and are harder to kill. Of course they have shorter range but they have sooo much more firepower.

The problem isn't that the M40 would be too strong, the problem is that it is very well protected while the defense itself offers very little space to apply the crossbar.

[Alcarin21]

Originally posted by ihcsO:
I don't really like that idea. It puts 2 armored artillery units into the prototype base.

My main problem with the long tom would be that I need 3 guppies to take it out while the M40 only needs 1 guppy. But that is probably a deficit of the guppies, it is pretty bad vs. everything except vehicles, armor 1 (if they are not in woods) or other FBs.
Also why get the M40 when you can just get the calliope from the proto base? Calliopes annihilate everything, hit better and are harder to kill. Of course they have shorter range but they have sooo much more firepower.

The problem isn't that the M40 would be too strong, the problem is that it is very well protected while the defense itself offers very little space to apply the crossbar.

Yeah you are right about 2 armor arty pieces in proto however this would end in USA player needing to go proto for the current build that was discussed

[ihcsO]

Originally posted by Alcarin21:
Yeah you are right about 2 armor arty pieces in proto however this would end in USA player needing to go proto for the current build that was discussed

But that would probably also ruin a lot of other potential USA builds while messing up the proto base. I think the problem are rather the counter units. After all, the US player is doing nothing but wait and counter whatever comes with this tactic, making it very hard to gain any edge against him. We already have a Jackson thread and for now I'd leave it at that. As someone who plays a lot of France I of course also look envious at the M16 but French issues have no part in this thread. We should focus on the Jackson for now as it seems to be much more of a problem than the M16.