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Babies? Bus bauen!Originally posted by ihcsO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">OThat was amazing.
I love you, and want to have your babies.
That analysis was riginally posted by Lexovix:
ihcsO... really impressive.
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About the analysis.
The weakpoint notes was good, didn't cover M40's inaccuracy and relatively low damage for cost however. - That said, the M40's are still required for the strat, meaning that USA needs to pump out the $200+ on getting 3 M40's out, regardless of how little unarmoured units there are. (Example: Tank assault covered with stugs and perhaps 5 spaced infantry units. Presuming the stugs kill off my infantry wave, my TD's will be forced to retreat simply due to a few opposing blitz'd+fanatcism'd infantry. Thus the need for the M40 investment, regardless of situation.)
This allows opponent to have an extra $200 in armoured units, enough so to be able to break a line of jacksons, presuming they have maintained the same economic level as the USA player.
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Germany and Russia suggestions work, as long as there is one or two AT or a few infantry included.
UK/France/Italy arn't correct, i'll hunt down some replays for you.
Is everyone making fun of me or do you guys srsly like my analysis? :P
And why complain about "how to fight Lexo"? I'm sure many people will try to copy that style.
Hm... yeah, I think I should have put more emphasis on M40s. The (fake) tankette idea is cool, I didn't think about that. I don't use as much infantry since I started playin a lot of France. Those 10$ legionares add up after a while :/
Why is it wrong with France? I guess this is how I play against most other opponents with france so I'd just try that as well, especially sacrificing guppies for M40s. I don't play much UK/italy, so no idea about those. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure about the others, but I certainly wasn't joking, I really thought it was accurate and well written, appreciate the effort.
The France strat was okay, SAU40's are key. You'll quickly lose any economic advantage from depot snipes if you invest in S1 BIS's though.
I just edited my post and included an excellent replay showing a France strategy. Although I really wouldn't suggest going that heavy on air for a France late game build, but XoY always manages to pull off weird things. Guy is a beast.
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Well, the B1 BIS would just mixed in to guard the SAU-40. SAU-40 can get overrun by infantry, especially when it comes from more than one direction. And B1 BIS just shred those infantry with their double damage HE shells (and machine gun)Originally posted by Lexovix:
You'll quickly lose any economic advantage from depot snipes if you invest in S1 BIS's though.
I just edited my post and included an excellent replay showing a France strategy. Although I really wouldn't suggest going that heavy on air for a France late game build, but XoY always manages to pull off weird things. Guy is a beast.
Thanks for the replay, I'll watch it. About the air as france... I also often find myself going pretty air-heavy as well when playing France. Mainly because my AA is crap, Guppies are awesome and their low research and cheap price makes you pretty adaptable.
So let's see how Xoy does it...
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I have very limited experience... however, the same combo of M16, rangers, wallies and walverines was annihilated just by a bunch of Russian infantry. I had about 4-5 M16, a group of rangers and 3 willies. The dude just made 1 infantry barrack and then pumped out an unreasonable amount of units from there. He had no scouts and he had 1 depo less than me. I managed to reinforce with a couple of Mg nests. Nevertheless, The dude with blitz and fanaticism managed to arrive to my main. Nor even 5 M16 and my rangers ambushing it could stop th Russian infantry
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That is a completely different thing. It is an USSR inf rush. There is a thread about it where people discuss this tactic. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1071447/m/1311061388Originally posted by CricetoMannaro:
I have very limited experience... however, the same combo of M16, rangers, wallies and walverines was annihilated just by a bunch of Russian infantry. I had about 4-5 M16, a group of rangers and 3 willies. The dude just made 1 infantry barrack and then pumped out an unreasonable amount of units from there. He had no scouts and he had 1 depo less than me. I managed to reinforce with a couple of Mg nests. Nevertheless, The dude with blitz and fanaticism managed to arrive to my main
Generally, M16s can kill them but your own infantry aren't so good against them. You definately need a lot M16s and have to micro them so they keep their distance from the enemy. Also you have to blitz yourself so you don't get overrun. Most often this tactic is countered by building a lot of light or medium tanks. Just read the other thread.
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this is the worst advice ever. you get in trouble if he can get the combo units together, the way to prevent that is not by giving him time to get them but by avoiding him to get them.Originally posted by GoDaveGo:
He is a defensive player who uses the map to his advsntage. Whenever people play him they feel the need to harrass him or try to play offensively. DON'T. This is playing into his hands.
The best way to play against these players is to play him at his own game. CAMP, TURTLE and smash him with artillery. He only builds units to oppose you at the start. So, take 4 depots maybe a barracks, and a decoy airfield with decoy air units. Build up resources & keep an eye on what he is doing. Don't play offensively just play him at his own game.
There is no reason why he should be able to have map control with counter units, defensive units are designed to be hidden in woods / towns etc, bring him out onto the battlefield.
Finally, because of his defensive nature he rarely takes 'map control' from the start of the game, preferring to guard his own depots and this is why many people are falling at the first hurdle. So take advantage of this.
yup i still have it, i will post it in like 3 hours on rusereplays.com. I was italy and if i would give him the time to get the combo im death for sure as ita has nothing to counter it. maybe with some really good thinking and micro you could snipe his arty out with FB, but ita FB's are pretty expensive. then you can snipe the jacksons with breda's and kill the inf with carro veloce. but like i said, thats really really hard and you need perfect micro.Hopefully Hoppa has the replay of a recent match against him available. It shows an example of how to exploit the strat with perfect decoy use with italy, giving the economic advantage needed to win mid/late game with that faction.
also a good counter move against it is getting advanced AT guns in the wood(with lot of distance between, cause he will shoot with arty inmediatly after reveal.) you can snipe out all his willys that way so he cant advance, ofcourse have some inf behind the AT guns for if he is coming with his inf to get them. they need to stand behind the ATguns otherwise he can still spot them without his willys getting killed.
Germany is pretty strong against the combo too. it has better TD's with their armor so they will win from jacksons. also the wurfrahmen within radio silence behind it is very strong, they can kill the inf, but first aim on the m40's ofcourse, the lvl1 armor shouldnt be a big problem for them. also, keep spreading them instead of blobbing.
also, his 3 M40's costs 200. you can easily get 13 lights or 13 medium from ger, arty for the same money, if they aim for the lvl1 armor it will die too. with spreading your arty he wont be able to kill yours with his m40.
France have a good counter too with their cheap guppy's to take out some essential units. maybe you will lose more of them when you attack then you can kill, but it gives you the chance to advance with your own units cause you took out the units wich could stop you.
UK has a pretty fair counter to them too with sexton/avre(proto to expensive to make IMO) and fireflies + same inf and maybe vickers.
even if he has lots of m16, FB's are great to take out mean units, as it is all low armored you dont need upgraded ones. just build 2 fighters wich goes to the side and sacrafice them so the M16 shoot to the wrong side first, then let your FB's kill the essential units, you will be sure you kill them, you might lose lots of your planes, but like i said above, you can snipe his other units by advancing while he need to make new units of that kind.
only take out recon with advanced AT in the wood wich can snipe the willys evrytime. trying to snipe willys with a new FB is a waste of money. spamming willys is much cheaper then keep killing it with FB'sBut I've found it useful to take out the recon. There's always a way to destroy it, even if it means sending troops on suicide missions, it will at least stop the M40 shooting up your base.
but the mean thing is, just dont let him make his stuff together, altough i have problems with that too at maps like stronghold. i usually play ita and im not able to get pressure on him enough and early enough to make him not build the best combo units. cause ita late game is pretty hard.
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I am happy to read a nice thread where noone use the word "noob" twice by sentence!
nice analysis, ihcsO.
I just lost a game vs lexovix on the front line
imo,the US are the best for the wait and counter strat.
A plan could be to lead to an over-reaction.
like the hoppa trick,just make 2 real tanks and 4 decoys and you will may see some jackson on the map which is an overreaction, if you build only 2 stuarts or M13 in this game.
http://www.filefront.com/17350..._10_2010_000.ruserpl
what I did is not really interesting, but at least, you 'll see what Lexovix does.
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Its impossible, i dont have 1 strategy because i sometimes dont even know with what i want to start xD unpredictability ftw, my strategy "Beautiful wolfy's Miracle Sweet Ultra Funky Fantastic Dramatic Romantic Sadistic Erotic Exotic Athletic Guillotine Perfect Stylish Dangerous Psychedelic Valuable Economical Continental Incredible Unbelievable Shining Final Holy Wonderful Pretty Super Magnum Sexy Sexy Glamorous Lovely Cutie Fanatic Aquatic Dynamic Domestic Thunder strategy" is very complicated for anyone else to read expect me and it works with most nations xDOriginally posted by saminskip:
OMG, Now do one for Wolfy!
Sigh i miss ruse, and will take probably 5 more days till i can play
P.S. Hoppa is gonna experience a slow painful death because i told her to w8 and she started playing 100 elo ranked matches exactly after i left!!! Yiff you!
The torture is called: "Miracle Sweet Ultra Funky Fantastic Dramatic Romantic Sadistic Erotic Exotic Athletic Perfect Stylish Dangerous Psychedelic Valuable Economical Continental Incredible Unbelievable ShiningLovely Cutie Fanatic Aquatic Dynamic Domestic Final Holy Wonderful Pretty Super Magnum Sexy Sexy Glamourous guilotine torture"
And i am gonna shout it while the torture begins!!!!
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rofl, i played only a few games, from when you left i won all and played vs lexo, nisse, anderzel and maitre only! so they gave me much points instead of a lot matches vs noobs wich give me 1 useless point a game.Originally posted by Wolf2449:
Sigh i miss ruse, and will take probably 5 more days till i can play
P.S. Hoppa is gonna expirience a slow painful death because i told her to w8 and she started playing 100 elo matches exactly after i left!!! Yiff you!
The torture is called: ""
i really slowed down with playing, had much other stuff to do, and i played some more customs so you will be in sight when you come back :P i miss you for the 2v2 ranked waiting
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