Here is a list of Luftwaffe claims for 1945, obviously a Yak-3 claim could easily be a Yak-9 and vise versa...Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Were there Yak 3's shot down by LW fighters? Past some date were there none? Let the numbers speak!
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/1945.html
hey there you areOriginally posted by Badsight-:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
LOL, we are the UBI generation. But certainly, this is kinda shocking, I've been on these forums for some 10+ years. Now that's some serious net community!![]()
i cant for the life of me remember your handel you had before that argument with gibbage over the flying wing
i thought it was you who said he had/seen a copy of the actual order </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi,
You got it almost right, but I am not Austrian/German, but Hungarian.
As for the Yak 3 "order", I don't really believe such existed.. never seen one myself, and I consider it more likely that it's some kind of exaggrevation by Soviet sources - perhaps there was some kind of unoffical rumor amongst LW fighter pilots that it's no good to get yourself sucked in with manauevrable Yakovlevs in turn fight, but I don't think there would be much to it. Generally the Germans avoided dogfights for practical reasons, as Hungarian pilot Tobak Tibor makes it clear in his book: they considered it a gallant, but unneccessarily dangerous way of air combat. They thought that air combat is basically ambushing the enemy, than disengage until a new opportunity arises.
As for German Yak 3 papers, I have one LW evaluation of Yak 3, and I believe it is the first such, from late December 1944.. the report makes it clear the aircraft is manouverable, with about 16 sec turn time, but makes no tactical suggestion as to avoid it etc. at all. And, given the date, it also creates doubts of the existence such allaged orders.. I fairly sure they had no solid info on this new fighter. The Yak 3 was a latecomer in the war.
Apart from that, I have very high regard for Yakovlev for what he achieved for airframe efficency, given the limited capacity of the engines he had to work with. I have seen a Yak 3 from close up, it is extremely clean, and good looking aircraft IMHO. Its major shortcoming was the workload it imposed on the pilot, and the limited range and ammunition. But a fantastic little fighter by any standard!
Totally agree with you, Kurfy!
Couldn't have phrased the last part any better - one can't imagine what a beautiful little airplane that neat Yak is, untill one has actually seen it live and in colour!![]()
So you're Austro-Hungarian then?You got it almost right, but I am not Austrian/German, but Hungarian.![]()
Here is a list of Luftwaffe claims for 1945, obviously a Yak-3 claim could easily be a Yak-9 and vise versa...Originally posted by Metatron_123:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Were there Yak 3's shot down by LW fighters? Past some date were there none? Let the numbers speak!
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/1945.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was a rhetorical question. No doubt, answer was always yes. But thanks for a link for those in doubt!