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    Yes I thought so you where pullig my leg a bit! Well can´t say anything about the Russian text as I know no Russian. Although that is a bit of a shame as my mom comes from that part of the world. I don´t use a translation tool at all.....good I have been now a few years away from Canada, and at times I am a bit sloppy with the spelling.....
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    And to think I always thought the thick hair on the Yak would allow it to perform just fine at high altitudes. In fact in it's home range of the Himalayas, they are often found above 5,000m

    Just saying...
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    Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
    And to think I always thought the thick hair on the Yak would allow it to perform just fine at high altitudes. In fact in it's home range of the Himalayas, they are often found above 5,000m

    Just saying...
    Don't Yaks live of the steppes on Russia? Perhaps domesticated? Those steppes are high continental plateau?
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    That German order is quoted in the book " The Blond Knight of Germany"
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    ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????: "???? ???????????? ?????? ??????: ? ?????????? ???? "??", ?? ???????? ????? ???????, ? ??? ?? ????????" [????, ?. 35, ??. 11287, ?. 2781, ?. 196]
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    ive forgotten the forum members name

    he was always going on about the Me-109 & how it was better than history remembers it as

    german (or austrian) lawyer whose father flew them (IIRC) & was always arguing the point with SkyChimp

    he had a photocopy of it (or so he claimed)
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    Originally posted by butch2k:
    ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????: "???? ???????????? ?????? ??????: ? ?????????? ???? "??", ?? ???????? ????? ???????, ? ??? ?? ????????" [????, ?. 35, ??. 11287, ?. 2781, ?. 196]
    Translated with a online translator:

    The German pilot who has got lost and sat down in our territory has declared: " Our command has given the order: with planes of type " the Yak ", not having a mast of the aerial, in fight to not enter " [????, ?. 35, ??. 11287, ?. 2781, ?. 196]

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    Stalker, what does Hartmann says about this?

    Frankly, I found hard to belive in such things coming from the Russians. Nothing against them, but their propaganda in military hardware is worst than the one from the American shows, because they are smart and try put a logic in it. But really, I already read in a text for Soviet pilots something like: "the captured airman all recognized the superiority of our aircraft", and we are talking about the Yak-1/7 and La-5! Even being the most dangeours La-5FN, still the German planes could compete. And in my opinion, until the end of the war, even with the old non boosted G-6 and the Fw 190 A, the Germans could very well match the La-7, the Yak-3 and 9U. As Breams always says: "they are technologically advanced enough to deal with any fighter in the sky". I think the problem was the factual much growing performance of the Soviet types, their overwhelming numbers, lack of trained German pilots, fuel and control quality.
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    Ah, and just a bite of logic here:

    The German pilots (as well as everybody else) were using energy tactics. The Yak-3 was very capable in the vertical in comparison with the previous Yaks, but still inferior to the La-7 and perhaps the La-5FN vertically. And was slower.
    Considerating this, and the fact that in most times the victim only saw what hit it too late or never saw it in WWII air combat, the La-7 would be much more something to give an order to avoid. But again, this is contraditory, because in such scenario of superior tactical situation and pilot skill to perfom tactically well, the Germans would have as good chances as the Russians. And I fear the reality was just this.
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    Originally posted by Wildnoob:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by butch2k:
    ????????????? ? ?????? ?? ????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????: "???? ???????????? ?????? ??????: ? ?????????? ???? "??", ?? ???????? ????? ???????, ? ??? ?? ????????" [????, ?. 35, ??. 11287, ?. 2781, ?. 196]
    Translated with a online translator:

    The German pilot who has got lost and sat down in our territory has declared: " Our command has given the order: with planes of type " the Yak ", not having a mast of the aerial, in fight to not enter " [????, ?. 35, ??. 11287, ?. 2781, ?. 196]

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    Stalker, what does Hartmann says about this?

    Frankly, I found hard to belive in such things coming from the Russians. Nothing against them, but their propaganda in military hardware is worst than the one from the American shows, because they are smart and try put a logic in it. But really, I already read in a text for Soviet pilots something like: "the captured airman all recognized the superiority of our aircraft", and we are talking about the Yak-1/7 and La-5! Even being the most dangeours La-5FN, still the German planes could compete. And in my opinion, until the end of the war, even with the old non boosted G-6 and the Fw 190 A, the Germans could very well match the La-7, the Yak-3 and 9U. As Breams always says: "they are technologically advanced enough to deal with any fighter in the sky". I think the problem was the factual much growing performance of the Soviet types, their overwhelming numbers, lack of trained German pilots, fuel and control quality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It's in the book but I don't know if this info was quoted from Hartman directly W/N.
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