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    Yeah, yeah, I know, another global warming thread, however this guy has a pretty valid opinion on global warming. What do you guys think?

    Watch this video before posting please.
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    Yeah, I can agree with his turn on GW and it is scary, but not as scary as this warm period we're in now, it's way past time to flip over to another cold period, and thats something that could happen in a short time scale, it's happened before in less than a decade and could last for hundreds if not thousands of years according to studies of Greenland Ice Cores...

    Wasn't there an American City a few years back that was crippled by freezing rain and temperatures of -9 for less than a week - If it had carried on there were plans to evacuate the entire city...
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    Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:


    Yeah, I can agree with his turn on GW and it is scary, but not as scary as this warm period we're in now, it's way past time to flip over to another cold period, and thats something that could happen in a short time scale, it's happened before in less than a decade and could last for hundreds if not thousands of years according to studies of Greenland Ice Cores...

    Wasn't there an American City a few years back that was crippled by freezing rain and temperatures of -9 for less than a week - If it had carried on there were plans to evacuate the entire city...
    Back in 95-96 here in Milwaukee we went for weeks at a time where -9 was a warm day. We had a 14 day period where is was -22f and colder. Then the windchill got added and made it feel like -40. Schools were closed for a couple of days, but no one mentioned abandoning the city.. Especially over a little cold weather. Heck, I was still taking the bus to and from work every day. The trick was two winter coats. I had a nice modern one, and over that I wore my grandfathers wool overcoat from the war. The next winter I needed to pre-plan when I would be fueling up the car, I needed to park with the fuel filler facing the sun for a while. There was some kind of wacky one way valve in the tube going down to the fuel tank that would freeze partially closed and it made filling up a frustrating pain in the ***.
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    Originally posted by iroseland01:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:


    Yeah, I can agree with his turn on GW and it is scary, but not as scary as this warm period we're in now, it's way past time to flip over to another cold period, and thats something that could happen in a short time scale, it's happened before in less than a decade and could last for hundreds if not thousands of years according to studies of Greenland Ice Cores...

    Wasn't there an American City a few years back that was crippled by freezing rain and temperatures of -9 for less than a week - If it had carried on there were plans to evacuate the entire city...
    Back in 95-96 here in Milwaukee we went for weeks at a time where -9 was a warm day. We had a 14 day period where is was -22f and colder. Then the windchill got added and made it feel like -40. Schools were closed for a couple of days, but no one mentioned abandoning the city.. Especially over a little cold weather. Heck, I was still taking the bus to and from work every day. The trick was two winter coats. I had a nice modern one, and over that I wore my grandfathers wool overcoat from the war. The next winter I needed to pre-plan when I would be fueling up the car, I needed to park with the fuel filler facing the sun for a while. There was some kind of wacky one way valve in the tube going down to the fuel tank that would freeze partially closed and it made filling up a frustrating pain in the ***. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks for that mate, sounds pretty nasty weather which ever way you look at it, by the way it was Montreal in 1998 that had the Ice Storm...

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    http://video.google.com/videop...9176615246491&hl=en#
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    Yeah Archie, I live there and it was definitely rough. I had no power for over a week, and I live downtown.
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    Actually C02 doesn't "reflect heat back down to the earth" like he says. It never even gets up to the higher parts of the atmosphere anyway! C02 is heavier that air and always sinks to the lowest places in our atmosphere. That's why, if you have a C02 detector in your house, ( in case of a gas leak ) you are supposed to put it down low so it picks up the stuff before it smothers you to death. That simple fact is one of the biggest reasons the global warming people are so full of it. C02 can't be a green house gas, never was, never will be! A gas that sinks down low can't be a greenhouse gas.
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    The atmosphere isn't still - there's mixture by wind and up- and downdrafts.
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    Originally posted by mortoma:
    Actually C02 doesn't "reflect heat back down to the earth" like he says. It never even gets up to the higher parts of the atmosphere anyway! C02 is heavier that air and always sinks to the lowest places in our atmosphere. That's why, if you have a C02 detector in your house, ( in case of a gas leak ) you are supposed to put it down low so it picks up the stuff before it smothers you to death. That simple fact is one of the biggest reasons the global warming people are so full of it. C02 can't be a green house gas, never was, never will be! A gas that sinks down low can't be a greenhouse gas.

    See Wikipedia CO2 article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
    The measurements are taken at the Mauna Loa Observatory, at 11,135 ft (3397 m). Do you have measurements for any higher altitude, Mortoma?

    AS Bremspropeller says, CO2 will be mixed with other constituents of the atmosphere by convection etc. This is just as well, otherwise the Dutch for example would have to move to higher ground!
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    Here in Germany we had much more snow this winter than what we normally have. This is an indication of global warming. Another indication will be droughts around the equator.

    While everyone seems to be debating whether or not man is the cause, the process continues anyway. Blame is not important but what is important is what we do. Sure it might be a normal cycle but there's a very high probability that what we are doing is accelerating the process. The process it self is no danger but the rate of change is. Yes life is very adaptable but it has its limits.

    The ecosystems are delicate balances and when one species suddenly goes missing the effects can be felt within other species. What would happen if seemingly insignificant bees suddenly disappeared? Who'd pollinate our crops?

    The speaker in the video seems like a good guy with all the right intentions but he's only looking at the very surface of the whole issue, as are most people. What people are not thinking about are the relationships between the various species of animals and plants and that of the dependencies they have on a relatively stable climate.

    Change is go but not if it is too fast. It was change that killed the dinosaurs. The impact made a sudden change the natural environment couldn't absorb. That's an extreme case of course but it should make obvious to all that the rate of change is very important.

    I wouldn't recommend listening to people like Al Gore. Somehow, a politician interpreting science just doesn't sound right to me. It's like a fish explaining the nuts and bolts of how birds fly.

    Something that cannot be said enough is that we shouldn't look to the politicians for solutions and guidance on such an issue. We have our own minds and can see for ourselves that the danger exists. We don't need to wait until Florida is underwater to think about what we should be doing. We all know where we are guilty and we all know or can find out how to use and produce less.

    Each and everyone of us is responsible and will be held accountable. Nature will recover and do fine, no doubt better, without us.

    We are not necessary.

    I see the whole global warming debate as being mostly a way of shirking responsibility.
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    Here's an interesting article in Pravda about scientists that feel we are headed into a new ice age. If they are right we could only wish that there were some man-made global warming to offset this a bit. Historically, mankind has always prospered more in periods of warming, contrary to what the alarmists want you to believe! If we enter into another ice age, the resultant adverse effects on agriculture will be particularly devastating in light of the huge population on the earth now. Considering the fact that so called AGW has not been proven to raise earth's temperatures, ( except by tampering with data ) then there's no way it would even do a thing to prevent or even partially offset an upcoming ice age.

    Anyway, here's the article:

    http://english.pravda.ru/scien...6922-earth_ice_age-0
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