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Early on, the Typhoon had issues with engine reliability and tail separation...it is likely the tail separation was due to flutter and/or compressibility. The tail section was strengthened and was no longer an issue into 43.
The achilles heel of the Typhoon was its thick wings. It is in its wings where it lost its potential high altitude performance. It also had a low rate of roll compared to its contemporary enemies. It was fast in a straight line and very good at low altitude. It was never going to escort bombers so it was relagated to knocking off Fw Jabo's over the channel and eventually the RAF figured out that it was an exceptional ground attack aircraft and the rest is history...
It is interesting that the Tempest got the new wings...but it was still designed with a fairly low critical altitude...likely due to the superior high altitude performance of the Spitfires of the era. Tempest is much faster, much better rate of role, laminar wings and superb diving aircraft that was structurally very strong. One of the best low and medium altitude aircraft of its day. They Typhoon was not.
We still need a Typhoon, Mustang Mk IA and IV w/ boost, P-38F,G,H, flyable Avenger, -4 Corsair, Spit MkXIV, B-25Gunship, Ki44,45,48....
And the list goes on...so many possibilities
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Well the most obvious changes are to the wings and to the tail section.Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
What's the difference between a Typhoon and a Tempest? I've never been able to work that one out
Here's a Typhoon Mark IB
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The Typhoon concept was originated in the very late 1930's. Hawker and their chief designer Sydney Cam were working on a replacement for the Hurricane. They experimented with a few types of engines and design methods and eventually came up with a design that featured a fairly heavy and large fighter. Essentially all metal construction (the Hurricane was still partly fabric) with large wings and a Sabre 2000hp engine (VERY powerful for its day). When the Typhoon reached the frontlines it was plagued with problems. The tail on occasion would fall off in a high speed dive, the plane would reach a high dive speed extremely quickly, and the wings prevented high altitude performance from being as good as the Spitfires. So the RAF nearly cancelled the fighter project until they were convinced that it could be adapted for the low altitude ground attack role.
By 1944 there were large numbers of Typhoons firing rockets and dropping bombs on the German army in Normandy. The Typhoon is largely regarded as the Allies best tank buster (the P-47 is a close second).
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The Tempest was a redesign of the Typhoon. Long story short...the engine ended up being essentially the same Sabre II 2000hp engine that was in the Typhoon (to save time and get the new fighter out on the frontlines). The changes were structural...the fuselage was lightly redesigned and lengthened, the tail section was increased in size, a bubble canopy (which was also fitted to the Typhoon) was fitted as standard, and the wings were completely redesigned. They used the same sort of laminar flow concept as present on the Mustang. They were also shaped to be semi-ellipitical. A variety of reasons accounted for this including keeping the entire cannon barrel in the wings (of which the special Hispano Mark V was fitted in place of the longer Mark II).
The Tempest was a true fighter...while the Typhoon was not quite as good.
The Tempest was faster, rolled significantly better (the Typhoon was horrendous for its roll rate), had a very effective rudder and control surfaces at high speeds, was tough (the Typhoon was as well), and at low altitude the Tempest was pound for pound faster than virtually every other Allied or Axis fighter. The Mustang Mark III with the +25lb boost was faster at some low altitudes but they were close. The FW190D-9 goes back and forth with the various Tempest modifications...their speeds beeing essentially identical.
The Tempest was first used, in an early form, from April-September 1944 as a anti-V1 aircraft. Following that, the Series II aircraft were built (about 700-800 of them), and saw extensive service on the continent with the 2nd TAF from about October to the end of the war in May 1945. Although a somewhat limited production run, the Tempest was the premier, go everywhere, do anything fighter of the 2nd TAF so it saw alot of contact with Luftwaffe fighters and accounted for very large numbers of Luftwaffe fighters shot down. Most Tempests were lost to flak but quite a few were also brought down by the Luftwaffe's remaining experienced fighter crews. It gave a very good accounting of itself even when outnumbered.
A fighter to be reckoned with and built in the same style as the Focke Wulf. The Typhoon and the Tempest is basically what the RAF ended up with as an answer to the Focke Wulf. The Typhoon didn't quite live upto that reputation in all respects but it was faster. The Tempest was pound for pound a good match for anything the Luftwaffe was flying late in the war.
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Yes P61 Blackwidow, Whestland Whirlwind etc etc, but the b25 gunship should be a possibilty now I am not programmer I cant even use the map editor in Pacific fighters but can the existing b25 not have a solid nose grafted on and the bomb aimer position deleted quite easily????Originally posted by Grey_Mouser67:
We still need a Typhoon, Mustang Mk IA and IV w/ boost, P-38F,G,H, flyable Avenger, -4 Corsair, Spit MkXIV, B-25Gunship, Ki44,45,48....
And the list goes on...so many possibilities
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"I am not programmer I cant even use the map editor in Pacific fighters but can the existing b25 not have a solid nose grafted on and the bomb aimer position deleted quite easily????"
I think the idea's come up, but it would still require some working on the interior model, and Oleg is a stickler for historical accuracy.
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Can I recommend this as an excellent book on the Tiffie for those who are interested in its role as a ground atttack weapon (esp following the Normandy landings):
Golley, J (2000). The Day of the Typhoon: Flying with the RAF tankbusters in Normandy. Shrewsbury: Airlife Publishing Ltd
The Battle of Mortain and the annihilation of German ground forces in the Falaise Gap are key Tiffie victories, both of which the author participated in.
A good read!
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