1. #21
    I think Gib meant 12 mm, not cm. See http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/i...g/50_ammo.html for an interesting comparison of shell types for the .50 M2. The chart that is second from the end of the page is most interesting.

    * _54th_Speeder *
    Share this post

  2. #22
    RedDeth's Avatar Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Posts
    1,105
    by GOD i am vindicated!!!!

    i am the originator of the 50CAL vs TigerTank thread that had about 100 pages on it.

    accept no substitute
    Share this post

  3. #23
    TX-Zen's Avatar Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Posts
    616
    Originally posted by Gibbage1:
    How nice. Those aft vents are angled right into the radiator with no obstructions.

    And a .50 cal AP can penetrate about 12CM of armor.
    Thats at close range against a 0 degree angle. Consider that the attacking fighter will be coming in at an angle which increases relative thickness of the armor, plus decrease in penetration due to muzzle velocity drop off at range.

    On a practical level spraying a tank down with 50 cal can and does do plenty of useful damage...possibility of destroying optics, radio mounts, disabling track and worst of all (for the tanker) destruction of externally stowed personal items and equipment.

    But to cause a tiger to be destroyed in the classic sense of explosion and fire with the crew being forced to bail out?

    Share this post

  4. #24
    Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
    I bet you wont recognize 12cm of armoured steel even when you piss on it.
    thats 120mm a 76mm sherman canon cant penetrate that.

    geess it is realy like herpes this bs.

    No obstruction??? lol better take a close look, this radiator is not in place yet, behind it are the fans , and above them there comes another plate.
    So your saying fan blades will stop the bullet once it passes though the openings on the vent? Interesting. Must be some HEFTY fan blades!

    Shirman tanks were on the ground firing from a level position. They only had the sides to hit and had no angle for the weaker parts of the tank. On the otherhand a diving aircraft has a good angle at those vents. About a 40 degree angle? How this is that 2nd plate? Diving down and hitting that area with a few hundred rounds, a shell could find its way though that vent easy.

    BTW, the Shirmans could penetrate the Tiger, but its back armor. They were not invulnerable, but very difficult too kill. I think an enemy aircraft with .50 cal's could disable a tiger tank if they hit it in the right way. 40 degree dive from the back. Right into those vents and right into the radiator.
    Share this post

  5. #25
    Originally posted by Gibbage1:
    I think an enemy aircraft with .50 cal's could disable a tiger tank if they hit it in the right way. 40 degree dive from the back. Right into those vents and right into the radiator.
    But they had to switch off their targetting computers and rely on the force to do that. A direct hit would then cause a chain reaction and completely destroy the Death Sta...errr...Tiger.

    It's not impossible. If you can bullseye womp rats in your T-16, that is...
    Share this post

  6. #26
    did i say sherman couldnt take a tiger out,Not only the rear but also frontal(Firefly) nope , you CLAIMED 50cal can penetrate 12cm (120mm) of armored steel. even the modern ones cant do that,( and i can tell you they are upper class today not as good as the rusian 14.5), but in your imagenation they can.

    Ow 12cm is about 4.724inch
    Share this post

  7. #27
    Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
    did i say sherman couldnt take a tiger out,Not only the rear but also frontal(Firefly) nope , you CLAIMED 50cal can penetrate 12cm (120mm) of armored steel. even the modern ones cant do that,( and i can tell you they are upper class today not as good as the rusian 14.5), but in your imagenation they can.

    Ow 12cm is about 4.724inch
    Excuse me for being American. I ment 12MM of armor.
    Share this post

  8. #28
    Viper2005_'s Avatar Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    2,248
    Originally posted by Gibbage1:
    Excuse me for being American. I ment 12MM of armor.
    It's a terrible affliction, but we're caring folk. Take this bell:
    and ring it whenever you're in public whilst chanting "antiquated" so that the rest of us can take appropriate precautions such as converting everything into feet, inches, pounds, slugs, and Rankine. In time you will appreciate the merits of the S.I., and shortly thereafter you will be cured.
    Share this post

  9. #29
    Originally posted by CD_kp84yb:
    I bet you wont recognize 12cm of armoured steel even when you piss on it.
    thats 120mm a 76mm sherman canon cant penetrate that.

    geess it is realy like herpes this bs.

    No obstruction??? lol better take a close look, this radiator is not in place yet, behind it are the fans , and above them there comes another plate.

    What's with the attitude?

    At any rate, you can hope all you want but the fact is that both German tank crews and factory techs deployed measures to protect the vulnerable rear Tiger I deck:

    1) During the mid-late run of production Tigers the factory began adding wooden planking over the fuel cells for added protection.

    2) Spaced armor that hovered above the deck, added in the field by the crews.
    Share this post

  10. #30
    quote" Excuse me for being American. I ment 12MM of armor.""

    No problem, im just a Europian.



    My error, i must have been clearer when i mentioned 10cm , i must have used 100mm.

    I you wanna take the dam thing out, throw a big molotovcocktail on it, its cheaper and more efficient.







    the end
    Share this post