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    Originally posted by faustnik:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
    How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

    Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice.
    So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Maybe all the "I can shoot any LW plane down easy" posturing gave him a false impression of the P-38 changes. It has been improved, but, certainly not uberized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>well I dont know who said they could shoot down any LW plane easy, that sure didnt come from me. I only said I can shoot down the FW easy as for shooting down any LW plane easy thats not the case. I cant catch the 262 <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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  3. #53
    Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
    How nice for all those that got the P-38l as their favourite aircraft.

    Now in this game, you can do what you have read about in books and seen in movies, with the aircraft of your choice.
    So whats your point, or is your whole post about the Troll? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Maybe all the "I can shoot any LW plane down easy" posturing gave him a false impression of the P-38 changes. It has been improved, but, certainly not uberized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>well I dont know who said they could shoot down any LW plane easy, that sure didnt come from me. I only said I can shoot down the FW easy as for shooting down any LW plane easy thats not the case. I cant catch the 262 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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  4. #54
    Originally posted by Brain32:
    This v4071 is really great the complete bullsh1t turn rate and turn time monopol Oleg gave to Allied planes is greater than ever, I hope that will increase his sales
    Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3? (which it still does, btw). No need to reply as it's a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

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  5. #55
    Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
    look me up sometime Jerry, you in your Run90 (anyone you chose) and me in my 38 and we'll see who's Fodder I guarantee that I can out turn every 190 in the game, and unless your flying the Dora I will out run you as well. and we can do this in either 4.05 or 4.07 it makes no difference to me, results will be the same.
    Indeed. It's a new day. Now they'll have to stand and fight...a new (and unpleasant) experience for many. (snicker)

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    Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
    This v4071 is really great the complete bullsh1t turn rate and turn time monopol Oleg gave to Allied planes is greater than ever, I hope that will increase his sales
    Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3? (which it still does, btw). No need to reply as it's a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

    GR142-Pipper </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
    The answer is *drums* - you is wrong. The real 109G2 hit 20-21.5 sec for complete 360 deg turn time at 1000m in clean configuration and 22,6-22,8 with gunpods according to Russian test, and 22sec in Finnish test. While the only guy that even tried to test and showed his results a.k.a. robban75 made 22.8 for a clean in-game 109G2 in v405. Maybe you can do it better?

    As for my above rant, it wasn't aimed at P38 at all, actually I always thought P38 should be able to turn better than it was able to in v405. But I have no problems saying what troubles me, it's all about two planes, actually about relative turn perfomance between them and Kraut planes, the two lucky winners are P47D_late and my personal all time favourite warbird TempestMkV. They also both lack in areas that should be their strong points(P47D_late in roll-rate at speed, Tempest in rear view and previously nasty overheat characteristics), in a way it seems that lack of those other positive characteristics was compensated with unrealistic turn ability(relative to German planes), a solution I'm not very fond of.
    Also now that I read my earlier whining outburst I feel a bit stupid for it, however what I wrote above still stands.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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    Here is a photo I took of Tagert at Chino.

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    robban75 made 22.8 for a clean in-game 109G2 in v405.

    I don't know what or how Robban was testing, but I've checked 109G2 sustained turn in nearly every version from the original IL-2 (I like it, ok), and it's always been 20 seconds at 1000m.

    I gave it a go in 1946 just now. Crimea, noon, 1000m, 100% fuel, 110% power. I get 20 seconds turn time, at a speed of 240IAS (260TAS). Anyone can test this for themselves in 5 minutes.

    It's always been that way. Any differences in this plane's level manueverability have been handling characteristics and nothing more.

    Somewhat on this topic, the Bf-110G2 turn time is now only 26 seconds at 300IAS. This is notable because I've gotten 31 seconds (!) in previous versions. It's one plane that may actually have been porked, yet no one whined about it. I guess it's really just a popularity contest with these planes.
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    Bf110 G2 was noted for its miserable turn from its release patch

    but its axis so it doesnt matter
    Originally posted by GR142-Pipper:
    Why is it that we didn't hear a peep out of you when the 109G-2 all of a sudden started turning like a Yak-3?
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    (Slightly OT) Just a question for all you P-38-ites out there. How do you map the separate engine throttles?
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