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    Sooner or later, Bush will step into a country where he will be prosecuted for authorising the abuses of the 'war on terror'

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.../torture-george-bush

    The United States is under an absolute obligation under the Convention Against Torture (CAT) to investigate, prosecute and punish torturers. And yet, here was the former president of the United States admitting he authorised torture. And nothing.
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    And the irony is that this torture produced absolutely no credible information. It was all for naught.
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    I heard they got Osama with information gained by torture. Anyway it will come back to haunt the USA because these rules are in place so squaddies don't end up getting captured and having their ******** hooked up to a 240v power source. One day it will happen to American troops and the American government will bleat and whine about it.
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    Originally posted by Aimail101:
    I heard they got Osama with information gained by torture. Anyway it will come back to haunt the USA because these rules are in place so squaddies don't end up getting captured and having their ******** hooked up to a 240v power source. One day it will happen to American troops and the American government will bleat and whine about it.
    now, now ... next you will be accusing the US of having a Jihad-like attitude, allowing war and torture in the name of truth, justice and the American version of God ... naughty, naughty ... tut, tut, tut
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    Originally posted by Aimail101:
    I heard they got Osama with information gained by torture.
    You heard wrong. It has been confirmed by multiple sources that torture was not a part of the equation.

    Anyway it will come back to haunt the USA because these rules are in place so squaddies don't end up getting captured and having their ******** hooked up to a 240v power source. One day it will happen to American troops and the American government will bleat and whine about it.
    No question about that.
    But there will be much wringing of hands when a boy from Kansas gets his fingers cut off because, after all, "how could that happen?"
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    Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
    I heard they got Osama with information gained by torture. Anyway it will come back to haunt the USA because these rules are in place so squaddies don't end up getting captured and having their ******** hooked up to a 240v power source. One day it will happen to American troops and the American government will bleat and whine about it.
    now, now ... next you will be accusing the US of having a Jihad-like attitude, allowing war and torture in the name of truth, justice and the American version of God ... naughty, naughty ... tut, tut, tut </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Don't get me wrong, I mostly feel sorry for the poor 19 year old Kansas lad that GoToAway mentioned that will get it one day because the Geneva convention had gone **** up. Due the American government playing a small part in eroding said convention.

    Whilst I think some Americans liken it to a holy war and I think the whole war on terrorism is a bit of a hypocritical farce, I'd much rather have Americans running the planet than see more Middle Eastern nut****s gaining strength. Afghanistan either needs massive investment in it's economy and military infrastructure or ISAF troops there keeping the head cases pinned between the ISAF forces and the Pakistanis. Whilst I hate the past 50/60 years of American interventionism and empire building, given their current situation I don't think there is anything else they could do.

    Imagine if they pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow? Do you really reckon the bearded nutjobs in Europe, Yemen and Afghanistan are going to suddenly renounce violence. Perhaps the solution is a more intelligence lead approach with heavier investment in infiltration of groups residing in say Yemen and Afghanistan coupled with heavier investment in drones and special forces that can be used to assassinate certain characters we do not like. I don't know, the whole dilemma is mind bogling.
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
    I heard they got Osama with information gained by torture.
    You heard wrong. It has been confirmed by multiple sources that torture was not a part of the equation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The information about the courier started flowing from Gitmo and other places around 2003. So, Bush got a lot of the information that ultimately led to UBL's death.
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    Bush certainly did do a good job at not catching OBL by diverting our attention to other things, like Iraq.
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    I suspect Stalker wears a Casio.

    I'll go fill the bucket.

    Edit: I'll go get the popcorn.
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    Originally posted by jarink:
    The information about the courier started flowing from Gitmo and other places around 2003. So, Bush got a lot of the information that ultimately led to UBL's death.
    It's so sad that you view things like this like a sports match in which there's a winner and a loser.

    "Bush" gave an (unlawful) order (that lead to the torture of hundreds of innocent people.)

    "He" didn't get a shred of evidence about anything.

    Nor did Obama fly into Pakistan and put a round through bin Laden's head.

    Grow up. These are politicians. This isn't a game. It's a situation that has literally ruined the lives of millions of people. It doesn't matter which "side" you root for--we've all lost.
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