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    Visitation claims due to military duty do not count. Any idiot ( when still young enough )
    can join the Navy and get all sorts of countries added to their list. But it's entirely different to be a civilian, especially from the USA or isolated countries like Australia and be able to afford extravagant
    foreign vacations.

    Really, living in or near Europe should not count either because look at how easily Britons and Europeans can amass a huge list of countries visited and also do so cheaply and frugally. Not so in the USA, where only the wealthy can afford such excursions.

    I have only visited Venezuela and Canada, besides the US, where I live. That's because I've never been rich. Venezeula was only on my list at all because my ex-wife was from there.
    By the way, Venezuela has tons of beautiful women, worth a visit if they ever get that communist dictator out of there. Until then avoid it at all costs!! Unless one wishes to end up in a prison camp. Or killed by freedom hating, socialist, anti-american scum.


    I'd also think Aussies and Kiwis would have a disadvantage as far as travel, since they are so isolated, I'd think their travel costs would be exorbitant.
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    mortDude, speaking of idiots, saying that about military service is about as idiotic as it gets. As a tourist, you can stay at the Hilton, eat McDonald's food and watch television from the U.S. all day as you read a paper backed novel from the airport book store while the shades are pulled. Sound far fetched? Well, that's exactly what my Sister in-law did when she visited Paris.

    A military person on the other hand gets exposure to the locals on a daily basis that most tourists miss. My experiences in places like Chad and the Phillipines were experiences I would have never had as a tourist and the life and death struggles helped me to form a better understanding of the locals than a tourist could ever have.

    Try and lay off that glass pipe while you're at it!

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    Originally posted by mortoma:
    Visitation claims due to military duty do not count. Any idiot ( when still young enough )
    can join the Navy and get all sorts of countries added to their list. But it's entirely different to be a civilian, especially from the USA or isolated countries like Australia and be able to afford extravagant
    foreign vacations.

    I am sorry, I didn't realize the title was " How many contries have you visited, that didn't happen while you were in the military?"

    Oh wait, it's not. The title is "How many countries have you visited?"

    Sure, traveling as a civilian requires not only that you afford the transportaion, but also the living expenses in the countries you visit as well as be able to leave your work behind and everything else.

    That is more personally difficult then compared to me, flying ready crew and next thing I know I am landing in Aruba instead of driving home after I get relieved from ready crew. Certainly it beats being in Iraq, so no complaints here '**** IT! I wanted lemon in my Cervaza, not lime!' God these deployments suck sometimes.

    You seem to be down on rich people and how easily they can travel, So why do you insist on only counting countries that you had to pay out of your own pockets to visit? This totally shoves out the underdogs like places they have experience doesn't matter, cause they were not rich enough to do it on their own.

    I am a poor military guy and I actually get to see alot of places and do alot of things that I would have never otherwise seen or done. It's alot of fun and just because I wouldn't have been able to afford to do it out of my own pockets doesn't take away from the fun for me. The crews I fly with are people I like very much and get along with great and we have a blast all the time. If I were doing it as a civilian, I couldn't imagine better people to see these places with.
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    Viking-S, Nothing unimformed about it, I just hate communism and know first hand how the people down there are suffering..far worse now than ever. If you like totalitarianism and hate freedom, it's not my problem. And I'm entitled to my opinion, and have a right to a viewpoint, as do you. So I hardly care what you think.
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    I do apologise about my military remark, I only meant to suggest it's easy to accumulate a lot of visited countries ( and for free or actually paid! ) when you're in various military services. I did not mean that anyone who joins the military is bad.
    Much harder for civies to travel to such exotic places. For civies we are not paid to visit but have to pay instead. So yes, that was not a nice remark and easy to take the wrong way.
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    Agian, a sincere and heartfelt apology is due to you military guys, I should have used other words to express how and why it's so easy to get to visit many countries while serving. Thank you for your sevrice in the military and your sacrifice, something which I never was interested in doing when I was young.

    However, I refuse to retract in any way my comments about the oppressed in Venezuela and the suffering they fight at the hands of a brutal regime, and one that is friendly to Castro's Cuba. Uninformed comments?? I've been to that country 14 times, most of the time for weeks at a stretch so how can I be uniformed about it?? And four times since the communist takeover ( so called election ). I also speak fluent spanish too. Most of the people I know in Venezuela hate the current regime and dictator and want freedom. Those that I know who like the situation are misinformed themselves and are waiting for a socialist "handout" to rescue them from poverty instead of getting off their butts and working like we do in free countries.

    Please don't tell me I know nothing about what's going on in Venezuela, Pulleasse!!! Both of my current roomies are from Venezuela too and they want true democracy restored rather than staged, fraudulent and corrupt elections.
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    USA (living there)

    That's it (though, I have been up and down the east coast and as far west as Montana. I say Montana should practically be considered its own country since it's so different from everything else.) International travel's expensive, and I can't afford it.

    I would like to visit Finland and Swizterland someday, though. They both look like beutiful countries. Plus the Finns love the B-239 as much as I do.
    while your in Finland i reckomend you to take the "partyboat" to Sweden for a day or two. got some p51(j26), gladiators (j8), junkers ju86 (B3). bahhh here's a list http://www.flygvapenmuseum.se/utstallning/index.htm
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    Italy - Born and lived there

    UK - Live here

    France - Visited

    Germany - Visited

    Austria - Visited

    Switzerland - Visited

    Spain - Visited

    Sweden - Visited

    Turkey - Visited

    Czech Republic - Visiting next month


    S!
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    Originally posted by Viking-S:
    Not even the CIA thinks that Venezuela is communistic so inform yourself before posting private political hate speeches!

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...s/ve.html#Govt

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_republic



    I don’t hate freedom I enjoy it, and to be a little sarcastic, how fare has your love for “freedom” taken you so far?

    Viking
    Oh, they think it is communist, but for political reasons they are not going to admit it. It's called "diplomacy", but you might not understand that. The official stance on Venezuela from the US gov't is suppressed because we need their oil. Yes, the Bush Admin. is kissing their heinies!! So who's uniformed now?? I know more about what's really going on than you ever will!!! You have no idea!! If you hang out with and take the advice daily from a communist ( Castro ), then guess what?? That makes you a communist. The US will not admit it and of course Chavez does not either. But a lion could claim to be a vegetarian to a herd of juicy Bison. The truth is not always out in the open, now is it?? Anybody who does not see that Chavez is a pinko is kidding themselves.

    Formally as far as implementation, no the systems in place in Venezuela are not truly "communist", not yet at least. But it's planned to be done slowly and steadily by Chavez and Castro, and it's no real secret. But he is a champion of all communist countires such as Cuba, China and North Korea. It's just going to take some time for him to turn the system of the country to that system. It does not happen overnight. And even Castro knows that. But Chavez is a card carrying commie and don't you forget it. I'm done with my politics, has no place in here anyway..


    PS- Viking-S, your "hero", Chavez is slowly murdering those who are powerful and opposed to him, ask my ex-wife who is there in that country right now. They are slowly "disappearing", never to be seen again. That's so "democratic" of Chavez your hero, isn't it?? But you are such an expert on that country I guess you should know that already!!!
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    US (home)
    Canada
    Mexico
    UK
    Denmark
    Netherlands
    Belgium
    France
    Germany (lived for seven years)
    Luxembourg
    Lichtenstein
    Monaco
    Vatican
    Austria
    Switzerland
    Spain
    Italy
    Greece
    Saudi Arabia
    Egypt
    Japan (Lived for five years)
    Korea
    Taiwan
    Philippines
    Vietnam (extended visits, sort of lived, on and off over six years)
    Thailand (extended visits, sort of lived, on and off over two years)
    Laos
    Cambodia
    Planning to visit during the coming year:
    Poland
    Czech Republic
    Slovakia
    Hungary
    China
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