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    I've read The Fall and I got curious about what they were trying to say with this. Out of pure interest I searched up Adam and Eve. From that point I got to the holy trinity. Now read this quote: "Son begotten, not created

    Because the Son is begotten, not made, the substance of his person is that of the deity. The creation is brought into being through the Son, but the Son himself is not part of it except through his incarnation." In my eyes this is undoubtedly related to The Son of The Son of the Son. The wikipedia also said The Father is not The Son, The Son is not the Holy Spirit and thus the Holy Spirit is not The Father. But all are God. Now here a quote from The Fall: "A single infinitely complex organism."

    And I noticed something else. In the Shield of the Trinity (Scutum Fidei) there are these white blanks, which can be made into the Abstergo logo. (Though the Abstergo logo is known as the all seeing eye.) All are god, maybe the all seeing eye represents god.


    "God the Son, Jesus—assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human." The seeds of two worlds have been planted.


    "Because the Son is begotten, not made, the substance of his person is that of the deity. The creation is brought into being through the Son, but the Son himself is not part of it except through his incarnation"

    All the memory is one. In our DNA. This makes me think Subject 16 or the Mentor person is in all of us.

    Finish. I NEED MORE VISIONS ON THIS!:O
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    I'm not entirely sure what your getting at.
    But subject 16 was real, he painted his blood on the walls and stuff.
    I don't know anything about the fall, haven't read it.
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    Oh, I wanted to say that Subject 16 may not even be human. Just gets into everyone's head with the bleeding effect. The Assassin Camp director also stated that: "If something can't be seen, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. This could also explain why 'subject 16' is in Daniel Cross and Desmond as well.
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    But Subject 16 is mentioned as a real person who was in the animus before desmond. how can he be a part of everyones psyche if he was real.
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    Yeah, but my point is the memory inside subject 16 that made him know all these things. All memory is one. Desmond's memory is one, subject 16's memory is one. Even Lucy's memory is one. This is why the bleeding effect occurs. New memories are brought in without the animus.
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    If this doesn't sound plausible, forget it. Though The Son of The Son of The Son has definitely to do something with the Holy Trinity. The bible mentions something about the Holy Trinity that really fits this. "Because the Son is begotten, not made, the substance of his person is that of the deity. The creation is brought into being through the Son, but the Son himself is not part of it except through his incarnation"
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    This also implies onto something Altaïr said, that his body would return to Earth but his consciousness might go somewhere else. It goes into memory. All memory is one and Desmond is using the animus as a medium to enter the memories.
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    Edit your post instead of triple posting.

    And could be a plausable idea.
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    Seriously? This is awesome hypothesizing, really. There have been suggestions that Altair is the Mentor, and that voice speaking to Daniel may indeed be Altair.

    Nevertheless, I believe that this is somewhat metaphorical. Both Altair and (hopefully in Issue 3) Daniel realize that history not only repeats itself, but it also jumps forward and back. Civilizations, great cities like Rome, can fall as swiftly as they flourish and, meanwhile, we all feed off of each other's mistakes and victories. I noticed that, in The Fall, the Brotherhood is assisting the Russian Revolutionaries but we of course know the overarching consequences of this revolution so... it's a bit of a give or take. Assassins, just like Templars, can cause just as much destruction as they can tranquility. It doesn't matter if they don't intend to cause this chaos, because that's the thing about time...it doesn't have morals or feelings. It just is.

    What The Fall is saying is really the very essence of Assassin's Creed: Humanity, along with time, form a complex bond. Imagine two people dancing, following a historical tango of sorts. They may change things up here or there every time they dance, they may even make a mistake or fall down...but the dance is basically the same. The dance cannot exist without the dancers, and the dancers wouldn't be dancers without something to dance to.

    Of course, I could be VERY wrong.
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    Interesting.

    You should order your ideas well, so that your points/theories are more understandable.
    Good job anyways, it's possible.

    I don't believe the subject 16 part though.
    And we know Desmond is "A children of 2 worlds" so he's born from TWCB and humans. Daniel Cross however... I wonder if he also has the abilities of a true assassin. After all it is said Nikolai Orelov was not born in an assassin family.

    We don't know enough yet...
    And more intriguing even: what does he mean when he says "I saw the shape of time" or sth along those lines?

    And I don't think Altaïr is the mentor.
    The mentor is the head of the assassin order at all times, if an assassin reaches the top of the order and he's the most skilled and best leader he's called the mentor.

    We know Al Mualim was the mentor, then Altaïr became the mentor, in AC:B Ezio becomes Il Mentore. If Ezio became Il Mentore, then Altaïr can't be the mentor, unless there are various mentors in different parts of the world which I just don't believe.
    AND we don't know what Altaïr did with the apple, so we can't say by any means that he became immortal since not even TWCB managed to live forever.
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