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    Australian divers have found what is believed to be Dutch submarine K XVI. Its final resting place is near Borneo (not a lot of details at the moment).
    Patrolled against Japanese shipping during Nov-Dec 1941. Sunk Funuku class destroyer Sagiri on Dec 24th.
    Went missing herself the next day with all hands lost.

    K XVI



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    Enjoyed...Thanks...
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    Hi all,

    The Dutch contribution against the Japanese has not in my opinion been fully recognised. Is it recognised in Holland, HP?

    Best Regards,
    MB_Avro.
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    Hello MB,

    For the families who have lost relatives in that part of the world or people who have lived in the Dutch East Indies it is very much alive I think (ranks are getting a bit thin these days though).
    For most Dutch the East Indies is something they never heard of and therefore probably will never care about.
    I saw some remarks on the internet that show replies (probably from the younger generation) who say something like: "what's the fuss about an old sub".
    Perhaps some re-scholing on history lessons or the scholar system in general?

    All-in-all maybe not so different than other western countries with a similar colonial backround?
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    Originally posted by Heliopause:
    I saw some remarks on the internet that show replies (probably from the younger generation) who say something like: "what's the fuss about an old sub".
    Perhaps some re-scholing on history lessons or the scholar system in general?

    All-in-all maybe not so different than other western countries with a similar colonial backround?
    I think it's because the younger generations really for the most part don't give a damn about what happened even 20 years ago. Ie, quiz them about what's happening on TV, and the'll start rambling about whatever's popular these days. Unfortunately, I've seen very few who find it interesting enough to actually pursue the topic of history on their own. As a side note to illustrate how knowledge of even relatively recent stuff tends to be forgotten, not long ago I was talking to some teenagers who never heard of the movies 'The Breakfast Club', and 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High'. He- double popsicle sticks! Hmmm. well, those movies did come out over 25 years ago.

    Does that make it ancient history now?
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    Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
    As a side note to illustrate how knowledge of even relatively recent stuff tends to be forgotten, not long ago I was talking to some teenagers who never heard of the movies 'The Breakfast Club', and 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High'. He- double popsicle sticks! Hmmm. well, those movies did come out over 25 years ago.

    Does that make it ancient history now?
    I recently picked up a copy of "Fletch" from the bargain bin at the grocery store and the punk kid clerk asked me who Chevy Chase was as he scanned it. I said something like, "a little before your time eh", and he asked, "was he popular in the nineties?". OMFG I almost freaked out.

    Back on topic, it is depressing how little history kids know these days. I mean it's less than pathetic.

    --Outlaw
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    A few years ago I went to the local grocery store. As the clerk - a youngish girl, probably in her mid 20s - checked out my items, I noticed she had a soft drink on her counter with a receipt impaled on the straw. I asked her why she had a receipt on the straw like that and she replied that her boss requires all employees to keep a receipt of everything they purchase from the store while on the clock or on break, or else get fired if found consuming a product without a receipt.

    It's understandable the reasoning for the rule, but I jokingly replied with something like, "Oh, so you have Joseph Stalin as your boss, eh?"

    She replied with, "I don't know. We had some new managers lately but I haven't met him yet."



    I couldn't say anything after that.
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    My nephew is doing a bachelor Degree in Music and has heard of but claims not to have heard any Rolling Stones or Beatles, has never even heard of Pink Floyd, any Rice/Lloyd-Weber musicals (or for that matter Rodgers and Hammerstein) and has never seen any of the "classic" music movies such as Rocky Horror, Sweeney Todd, Empire Records, The Commitments etc and thought Woodstock was a bird from the Snoopy comics.

    He thinks grunge is "old school" and retro and his band think its really creative to do stuff like grunge versions of Lady Gaga

    I take delight in revealing to him the latest new music fads he gets enthused about are just recycled versions of stuff from the past. For example he recently become enamored with "screamo" and was disappointed to find White Zombie had an almost identical style back in the early 90's. Another fad he was enthused about was a dance style called the "shuffle" which he claimed was amazing and original until I got him to watch the '80s classic Footloose which is clearly where the "shuffle" was copied from.
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    You show 'm Galway!
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    Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
    My nephew is doing a bachelor Degree in Music and has heard of but claims not to have heard any Rolling Stones or Beatles, has never even heard of Pink Floyd, any Rice/Lloyd-Weber musicals (or for that matter Rodgers and Hammerstein) and has never seen any of the "classic" music movies such as Rocky Horror, Sweeney Todd, Empire Records, The Commitments etc and thought Woodstock was a bird from the Snoopy comics.

    He thinks grunge is "old school" and retro and his band think its really creative to do stuff like grunge versions of Lady Gaga

    I take delight in revealing to him the latest new music fads he gets enthused about are just recycled versions of stuff from the past. For example he recently become enamored with "screamo" and was disappointed to find White Zombie had an almost identical style back in the early 90's. Another fad he was enthused about was a dance style called the "shuffle" which he claimed was amazing and original until I got him to watch the '80s classic Footloose which is clearly where the "shuffle" was copied from.
    OHH, id forgotten that every new thing ever is a copy of the far superior past.

    Also, screamo is not all that similar to white zombie, though the terminology is misused frequently as of late so that could be the case.


    But seriously though, he does sound pretty ignorant of a lot of music.

    Back on topic, thanks for the story. Amazing how many turn up after all these years eh?
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