1. #21
    My feeling is this. I'm an avid reader. Reading is subjective. We interject our own ideas into what we read. We make the story our own in a sense.

    So I think it is important to realize that and when stating opinions remember they are NOT facts. Unless you are the author you DO NOT know for sure their intention.

    I didn't find it to be sexist. But to be honest you can make almost anything into sexist if you are picking it to pieces and reading into things.

    What about Men in advertising. Look at how they are portrayed as bumbling, clueless idiots, incompetent, and the butt of the jokes. But men just shrug and take it. Women would have sued the company the company would have went bankrupt and fired thousands of employees. I think in life no matter where you look you will see this stuff. I don't think it's right but you can go on and on about not only sexist remarks, but even racist remarks and to be honest. I just want to enjoy the game and not think about that.


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  2. #22
    Let me make my point completely clear.

    I believe that the Myst series has never once come across as sexist or chauvenistic. I would never believe that, especially coming from a company as good as Cyan.

    That being said, I think it takes something away from literature when it is lobotomised in the name of political correctness or equality. This is fiction.

    I do not believe that saying something like " That explains the journals, the Priestesses, and so on. No complaint here -- that's progress." is a valuable statement. Is it truly progress or is it just something that happened?

    What I meant when I said "Who cares?" is: What difference does it really make? If you don't like the books, don't read them. Don't try and change them. If you don't like books like that, write your own.
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    Whoops sorry wrong room, I'm meant to be next door... Te he he he.....
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JennyH:

    What about Men in advertising. Look at how they are portrayed as bumbling, clueless idiots, incompetent, and the butt of the jokes. But men just shrug and take it.
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    Isn't that the truth. I have noticed that as well. In some of those commercials if you replace the bumbling man with either a women or someone of color there would be sit-ins at the advertising headquarters.
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  5. #25
    Heh I'm glad there are other people that feel the same way as me and actually acknowledge this. I find any time I try to bring this up with anyone I know I always get wierd stares and closed minds.
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    Oh, I completely agree about the treatment of men in advertising, and in many other areas of popular culture, especially comedy. Take the Simpsons, for instance. Marge and Lisa are essentially the voice of civilization; Homer and Bart are lovable and (mostly) well-intentioned disasters. I don't think this is good for society, either. Both men and women should be seen as varied and complex, not "all alike" or "all the same". (And I make this critique as a Simpson's fan and regular watcher.)

    This is a humanist view, not a feminist view.

    Rocky: I'm not rejecting the Myst tradition. If I was, I wouldn't be here. It's possible to have a nuanced view, you know; to like something and still criticize it.

    John Lynch: Hmm, that was the name of my Greek professor in college. With your remarks about the Minoans... you aren't him, were you? Anyway, yes, Terran societies have all kinds of inequities, and not just in one direction. In plenty of cultures where men dominate in public life, for instance, women control all the household cash, giving them the economic power in a very real sense. What I've NEVER seen, though, is a culture where there is no struggle between the sexes; where women and men accept their lot uncomplainingly, and where there isn't an exceptional woman or ten who make it through the barriers to public prominence. For eyewitness accounts from midieval Europe, for instance, read the Canterbury Tales or Bocaccio's Decameron; male authors, but both portray the voices of both women and men who are in constant engagement with the social and gender roles society has assigned them. And, as I said before, female heads of state have been a recurrent ancient and modern reality in places as diverse as Imperial China, the Philippines, and the royal families of Europe (the US being a deviant case here ).

    I'm just glad that there's room for a discussion like this in this "post-feminist" era. The young women I meet who reject the argument are happy to take for granted the life opportunities their mothers and grandmothers struggled for.

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  7. #27
    As I'm in the habit of derailing threads:

    Please tell I'm not the only one who, upon seeing the title to this thread, briefly contemplated Sue Richards of the Fantastic Four (the invisible woman) in a D'ni Canon.


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    Thanks Graham for the advice you gave me elsewhere.

    [This message was edited by JennyH on Sun December 21 2003 at 07:49 AM.]
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  9. #29
    Hmm, I don't care about the role of women in the D'ni society. Does that make me a sexist?

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  10. #30
    Nah, just makes you kind of ignorant

    BUT... what would you think about shooting the Fantastic Four out of a D'ni Canon? Not just sue, but Ben, Reed and Johnny as well...

    (Now was it Sue Storm or Richards - I thought she married Reed at some point...?)

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