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    Is it me or the are the 109s extremely easy to fly. I usually fly the P-38 but every once in a while I would fly the P-51 or spitIX. I like to fly the spit when I'm in a mood for a little turn and burn. After noticing that I was getting waxed pretty good by the late model 109s, I decided to fool around with them in order to discover some of their weeknesses. To my supprize I thought that they handled pretty good. I can see why the 109G6AS is so popular. I was expecting stiff controls at high speed because 109s suffered from stiff controls at high speeds according to some ww2 pilot reports but the aircraft was still very controlable. Overall I thought that the 109 was a very fun aircraft to fly : online and it was allot more stable than the spitIXc. Flying at low speeds and high angles of attack, the 109 seemed to be more docile.
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    VW-IceFire's Avatar Senior Member
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    They are definately better than ever before...

    Maybe a bit too good. One wonders.
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    they are not "better than ever"

    their turn times & speed are the same as before , whats different is that most planes took a hit in "ease-of-use" , planes became harder to fly in patch v4.01

    the Bf-109s dont seem to have been hit as hard by v4.01 as other planes have , this makes them feel "better than ever" , but you still aint going to turn tighter circles than Spitfires or Yaks

    just that you have an eaiser to control plane than the Yak or Spitfire user
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    As a frequent 109 flyer for almost 4 years, I'd say the 109 didn't change much with the latest patch. It stalls a little easier than before, but that's the only difference I've noticed.

    I agree with Badsight.

    Fritz
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    At the repeated requests of luft players, the 10whine has been made better and better and better until we are left with this arcademachine.

    High horsepower, low weight but NO TORQUE

    Large calibre weapons but NO SHAKE

    High speed handling FAR better than history tells us, and this is made EVEN worse with the fake trim

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    Oh and high badsite, how's the lemonade stand coming?

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    Originally posted by HayateAce:
    At the repeated requests of luft players, the 10whine has been made better and better and better until we are left with this arcademachine.

    High horsepower, low weight but NO TORQUE

    Large calibre weapons but NO SHAKE

    High speed handling FAR better than history tells us, and this is made EVEN worse with the fake trim

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    Oh and high badsite, how's the lemonade stand coming?


    I do agree, but seem not only 109 but almost every plane face the same pain like that.

    S!
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    Badsight...u answered him good....karost, ur just another one-side whiner (reds are louder these days)...did you EVER fly LW planes? more than a few mins? did you noticed how shaky their noses are even when with gently handling....did you noticed how f big is an silhuete of the Me109 (compared to the others)even it was a small plane in RL? with big f crosses on the tail.. FW190 front view? too poor stall characteristics? I would kill you with any red plane vs you in any of the Bf109s....want to try? few days ago one one-side whiner whined how p51 is poor now....I told him ill took P51...hehe he took bf109....he was wiped every time....learn to fly..

    do you one-side whiners remember how many obvious and big bugs we had in blue planes and then ur mouths were closed (just one big example: (gunsight dropping after one bullet hit anywher in the plane area in LW planes)

    ther are so many bugs i can post here including planes on both side..not to mention that they toned down the new FM for you whiners who came directly from FPS world.....thats the reason why so many old il2 folks arent with us anymore...Im on the way to go....Oleg is not here anymore (BoB)....just you, one side whiners/flyers and the mods.....
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    Originally posted by Badsight.:
    they are not "better than ever"

    their turn times & speed are the same as before , whats different is that most planes took a hit in "ease-of-use" , planes became harder to fly in patch v4.01

    the Bf-109s dont seem to have been hit as hard by v4.01 as other planes have , this makes them feel "better than ever" , but you still aint going to turn tighter circles than Spitfires or Yaks

    just that you have an eaiser to control plane than the Yak or Spitfire user
    I agree with you Badsight, the question why? How come the Bf109s took less of a hit?
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    Originally posted by HayateAce:

    some more YAOI !!


    I'm waiting for you at WarClouds.
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    Originally posted by Serpentmaster09:
    Is it me or the are the 109s extremely easy to fly.
    All or most planes became easier in one respect and somewhat more difficult in other.
    The snapstalls from 3.04 are gone and all planes enters a stall 'gentler' or perhaps 'smoother' is a better word. This enables planes to turn longer periods than they could in 3.04
    This is a part of the explanation why planes feel like they turn better, but the better answer would be 'turn for longer periods' ( my opinion)

    Some complain that the p-38 turns to well but the turn isn't dramatically increased, but since it now lacks the vicious snapstall from 3.04 and as most others are given a gentler stall it can turn for longer periods wich is a dramatic effect to the better.

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    The simplest way to test this yourselves is to have a parallel instalation of both 3.04 and 4.01. and switch between them plane for plane.

    This change to gentler stalls was the first thing I noticed with the new patch and I compared the two for some time.

    a few thoughts
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