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    Having some difficulties in A-A combat. Has anyone ever posted or know where I could find some guidelines to A-A combat. I seem to drop into the flat spin way to often. I get into a good position to kill and while manuvering I soon find my self out of control. I am trying not to pull to hard in the turns. But I seem to loose it and then recovering is almost impossible. I have made it out but most of the time I make a BIG crater in the ground.
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    This will be a humble answer; I'm certainly not an expert in air to air combat.
    If you say you "try not to pull too hard in the turns", then it might have something to do with how you control the incidence and throttle at that point.
    I'm not going to describe it in details (as I said, I'm not an expert; nor an English native speaker, for that matter ) but I suggest you get more accustomed to the physics behind stall, i.e. keeping the wings' angle of attack within some limits and in relation to your plane's speed (or use the flaps temporarily if you're too slow). I think this can also be a function of acceleration in some situations, or so I guess I inferred from my observations.
    I'd say the 3 main things to keep in mind are :
    * angle of attack/incidence
    * speed / occasional using of flaps
    * keeping your moves gentle

    there's a thread that explains it better than I do: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/6901050114

    hope this helps...
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    For not being a native English speaker, you do a gooder job than most of us who is, elphifou.

    Might I suggest a visit to airwarfare.com. They have a number of tutorials that would be helpful. Use the link below and then look at the left hand side of the page for links on mnay subjects.
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    Originally posted by Kotoc:
    Having some difficulties in A-A combat. Has anyone ever posted or know where I could find some guidelines to A-A combat. I seem to drop into the flat spin way to often. I get into a good position to kill and while manuvering I soon find my self out of control. I am trying not to pull to hard in the turns. But I seem to loose it and then recovering is almost impossible. I have made it out but most of the time I make a BIG crater in the ground.
    Hello,

    Part of air combat is prior experience and practice. What you should do is find whatever aircraft suits you best...or the one you want to learn the most about...and spend some time offline in the QMB (Quick Mission Builder) and setup a variety of situations with the aircraft. Try straifing, try 1 vs 1, try 3 wings of fighters vs 3 opposing wings...match it up against its worst nightmare and its best opponent.

    Then you'll have a good feel for the aircraft and its behavior in combat. Then you can move onto the online world and the more complex environment.

    A key component of air combat is obviously the flying. But I see lots of guys who ignore that. On some of the servers with very new pilot friendly settings I can score kills just by waiting for the other guy to make a big flying mistake and it happens often. He stalls it violently or he spins it or he drops his flaps and keeps them dropped. These are little things about flying that you need to master.

    Once you understand these...then you move onto ironing out mistakes in your air combat form. This is different and harder...most virtual pilots eventually get good at flying...but they are hard pressed to be good and remain good at air combat tactics. I loose and regain my edge on a regular basis.

    You also man want to read this: http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html

    It'll help!
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    Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
    For not being a native English speaker, you do a gooder job than most of us who is, elphifou.
    thanks a lot...
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    Once again thanks to all. I have visited airwarfare.com and found some help since posting. Thanks for this link too Icefire, I had not seen that one. http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html

    ZeusCat, and elphifou thanks for your input as well. Much more practice is required. As well as patience. Its not a jet so I have to relax on the controls too. You guys on this forum are an big help. Thanks again
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    If this is any help, in real life, they'd teach aerobatics as part of training, so the pilot would know what the plane does in various attitudes, and what you can and can't expect the plane to do in others

    One of the things about this sim as that it becomes more complex regarding FM, it demands more of the player. Fluid co-ordination of throttle stick and rudder inputs are needed. Once you have some basic aerobatics down, you should be making unconscious corrections to your inputs as second nature, and flight will be that much easier
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    My only suggestion is some last chance recovers that I've found. If you're stalling out in a hard turn, kick full rudder into the direction of the ground; your plane should nose over a bit and you should recover enough speed to get out of the stall point.
    Another VERY temeramental and last ditch effort is to cut your engine, then accelerate rapidly, using the engine torque to pull you out of the spin. Be warned though, it can sometimes make it worse, especially if the torque is in the same direction of the spin
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    Originally posted by Kotoc:
    Having some difficulties in A-A combat. Has anyone ever posted or know where I could find some guidelines to A-A combat. I seem to drop into the flat spin way to often. I get into a good position to kill and while manuvering I soon find my self out of control. I am trying not to pull to hard in the turns. But I seem to loose it and then recovering is almost impossible. I have made it out but most of the time I make a BIG crater in the ground.
    Ask people to send you tracks from their succsessful missions. Review them carefully and you will learn a lot.
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    Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
    For not being a native English speaker, you do a gooder job than most of us who is, elphifou.
    I was going to say the very same thing!
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