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    Cajun76's Avatar Senior Member
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    Lolz cats and other pics are about the most coherent argument some make when they run out of talking points.
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    Originally posted by horseback:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    I have never been able to vote without showing who I am to match the rolls.
    Neither did I, until I moved to San Ysidro CA in 1986; when I inquired about that first time, the elderly lady behind the folding table explained to me that California didn't require people to produce an ID or even so much as say, an electric bill, because (and she said it with an absolutely straight face) it would have a 'chilling effect' on some minorities. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I had no idea. Those people should be in jail or some kind of mental ward... like San Francisco or Hollyweird?

    I know there are sane Californians because I've known a few but really it's seemed like the nut cases took over there long ago.
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    Originally posted by Cajun76:
    Last I checked, driving and library cards weren't part of our bill of rights. What other rights do you think are bad?
    Because there is no such thing as a right to drive or a right to a library card?

    When I see "liberal media" reporting on some right-wing personality screwup, I check the source. And sometimes they do take it beyond reason in a serious way, like the campaign funding laws changes where go ahead and try to set up a PAC that can do what the most actually-left-wing faces say, and you can't.

    But here's a problem. To the right wing there is "good media" that agrees and backs up everything right wing approved and the rest are all the "liberal media". So I got to see KATIE COURIC denounced as a LIBERAL for asking Sarah "DUH" Palin actual unscripted questions and repeating them. Bad, bad Katie! You didn't make the ditz bimbo look good! You is LIBERAL!

    Funny thing though. Since the election a lot of my right wing relatives don't much like Sarah or Glenn any more. Why now and not before? Because now their 'approval' is wearing off.

    From the Firesign Theater about 40 years ago:
    ## "Why did the short hair cross the road?"
    && "I don't know, why?"
    ## "Because someone told him to."
    ## "Why did the long hair cross the road?"
    && "Because someone told him not to?"
    ## "Oh, you've heard it before."
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    Originally posted by horseback:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
    I have never been able to vote without showing who I am to match the rolls.
    Neither did I, until I moved to San Ysidro CA in 1986; when I inquired about that first time, the elderly lady behind the folding table explained to me that California didn't require people to produce an ID or even so much as say, an electric bill, because (and she said it with an absolutely straight face) it would have a 'chilling effect' on some minorities.

    That changed (somewhat) after 2000, but the California registration system is still criminally slipshod and easily gamed. I will point out that it was the Democrats who were always in the forefront of opposition to ID or proof of citizenship requirements for voter registration, and not just in California.

    I would like to see a national voter registration system based on voters' SSNs and a federal standard requiring voters to produce an accepted form of identification before they are allowed to enter the polls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    When my wife and I go to vote, all the folks there in charge have to ID you with is a clipboard with badly handwritten names and addresses on the paper which they'll sometimes struggle to interpret the chickenscratch. When we state our names, they'll fumble down the list and finally find them and usually find that our names are misspelled or our addresses wrong. After they're satisfied that they have the right folks they'll hand us our ballots. Maybe California should use the 'inked finger' method of voter ID like they use in Afghanistan. It'd be a lot more effective to do that than have somebody tediously handwrite pages of potentially mispelled names and erroneous information.

    Every time after they tentatively ID us, we'll take out our ID afterwards and show them we're who we are whether they like it or not.
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    Originally posted by Cajun76:
    Well BC, you attack Fox for behaving like the most of the media during Bush, and Gunz attacks talk radio and drops some Nazi reference, and yet I'm one of those referred to as "you and people who think like you" in a post talking about how I should open my eyes.

    Sure, your latest post was more even handed, but I was responding to posts like this:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">BC posted:
    They will mention opposing views .... but then they spend so much time restating their traditional views non stop so as to paraphrase it it would be something like... "This is the Joe Scho from the other side .. what do you think Joe..." Then Joe states his case.. for about 2 minutes and then they spend the next 58 minutes (well ok take off time for the commercials..) stating why his view is not only wrong but extremely dangerous and leading the country straight to Marxist,socialist,communist,Muslim Soros inspired slavery.
    </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    First off if you are going to quote me quote me all the way.. quote the complete thought..

    The problem with you and people who think like you do is that when you folks say things like "the Big Lie Machine " it becomes quite clear that you are only seeing half the picture because you keep seeing the big "liberal" lie machine, when in truth the lie machine has elements on both sides of the political spectrum, yet you want to only see one side of it.
    What I said about Fox being "fair and balanced" is true.... and the only reason why I take issue with Fox in particular is because they are the ONLY ones going on beating their chests about being "fair and balanced" and "You will only hear this here!!" as if they are some bastion of truth and journalistic integrity when in truth they are just as biased and part of the machine as the networks focused on the other spectrum. We have these networks like this because the views of the people cover these spectrums and entities are needed in place to feed those views so that the people can continually be whipped up in a frenzy .. divide and conquer.. business as usual. During the Bush years it was Fox's silence that was more deafening.. when truth be told there was a LOT to be alarmed about policy wise during the Bush years from the two underfunded wars we have, to the tax cuts that we can't pay for ... but the GOP would rather cut "entitlements" like SS & Medicare, to the Patriot act (which would not have been possible had it not been for the Omnibus Crime Bill passed under Clinton.. see how this works.. Good cop.. Bad cop.. while the people continue to get the brown end of the stick ... and THAT is my biggest beef with the entire process, that and the fact that NONE of the networks will touch that issue with a ten foot pole).

    Mind you.. I listen to Fox every day... My wife is a fan.. in fact I can see our lawn next year with an Obama banner on one side and a whoever the GOP gets to run banner on the other side.. It makes for interesting debate over the dinner table.. That is why when I say that Greta is the best thing they have.. I can speak as someone who's opinion is based on the facts as I see them.. O'Riely, Hannity? Inflammatory jerks. Beck? I have come to the conclusion that Beck is like a steak.. you have to take the meat and leave the bone & grissle on the plate.. some days the ratio of bone & grissle to meat is higher than others.. but there is always bone & grissle.
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