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    Ok, I know I need to be careful here, and I ask others to do the same if/when you reply so this does not degenerate into personal attacks or the like. Let me begin by reiterating part of a post of mine from another thread:



    'Personally I find it difficult to believe that Oleg and the development team would risk their reputation within the industry and community because of 'favourite' plane/ sides, especially when trying to appeal to a global market (read appeal as attempts to generate sales), bearing in mind that appeal and reputation affects future projects. The affect is clearly seen within these forums; for example many have said they will buy BOB on the strengh of FB/ 1c reputation, OTOH many wont because of perception of bias.

    FB isn't perfect, it is not accurate per se; but IMHO it is quite a remarkable product that still generates passion, enthusiasm, debate and interest, both in the product itself and the history in which it is seated, again IMHO to a degree which is at least on a par with the passions etc generated with the release of the original IL2, how long ago was that now? And to top it all off its still (IMHO) king of the hill, also it has the ability to appeal to the very casual through to 'serious' players, from 8+ to 80+. Would this still be the case if a deliberate bias was present?'



    These forums hold particular interest for me, the WWII historical aspects and the discussions/ debates surrounding it, discussions about FB/PF etc; on the flip side reading these forums is like looking into a goldfish bowl of the human psyche, which is also of interest to me.

    Bias or more correctly the term 'Bias' is batted around like a frenzied pinball on steroids, largely in response to game/sim changes people experience from patches (IMHO). 4.02 is no exception, whilst some may make accusations of dumbing down/favouritism (read bias) as a reaction to change in gaming experience resulting in frustration for them; others indicate, even clearly accuse Oleg/the development team of bias in one direction or another.

    I myself have opinion/ perception as to how individual planes should perform etc like anyone else, and it does differ to varying degrees to what I think we have, however the differences I experience does not (for me) demonstrate any deliberate bias. So I am interested in what 'convinces' some to believe there is bias, am I missing something? I don't believe I lack understanding of aerodynamic theory as a cause of not 'getting it', or anything of that ilk as I have had a firm working background in aircraft engineering for over fifteen years (although at times I feel it needs dusting, I left it a while ago now) I would also say I have a fair grasp of history with regard to WWII, aviation in particular (and not just from google or its like). My current (study) interests lay with psychology (impression formation/ influences) , so in light of my past and current interests I am (politely) asking am I missing something?

    Additionally I think this has a bearing of another aspect of my forum experience, which I believe most would agree with, which is (IMHO) a consequence of the accusations of bias (amonst other things), and it is simply that I miss Olegs input/ insight into FB/ PF and its development, not just that, but the possible implications for his (valued by me) input into future projects such as the forthcoming BOB.

    I invite and welcome reply, but please lets not let this degenerate into something ugly, If anyone feels their (or evn my own) comments would cause this to happen please do it by PM. I hope this generates interesting discussion, (for me) it would be disappointing for it to be locked or deleted.

    So am I missing something?

    Regards

    AI-1
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    Bias can be a very, very subtle thing that creeps in by tiny increments.
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    Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
    Bias can be a very, very subtle thing that creeps in by tiny increments.
    I understand that, are you saying there is bias as I don't wish to make assumption? If so how, I have genuine interest with this, feel free to do it by PM as comments by post/PM are welcome
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    Bias in a video game - who cares. A video game like Il2 was crafted from one guys mind for the sole purpose to entertain. Folks *****ing about FW190s vs La-5s is like two RPG geeks debating weather or not an Orc should have higher hit points than a cave trolll when both are equipped with ring armor. Nobody knows so you just got to make the best of what the game maker throws out.
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    heck you could make it so every one was flying the same plane with the same loadout and some ppl would be screaming bias
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    Bullseye, Cuda
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    @ AI-1 I agree with your observations.

    Originally posted by stubby:
    Bias in a video game - who cares. A video game like Il2 was crafted from one guys mind for the sole purpose to entertain. Folks *****ing about FW190s vs La-5s is like two RPG geeks debating weather or not an Orc should have higher hit points than a cave trolll when both are equipped with ring armor. Nobody knows so you just got to make the best of what the game maker throws out.
    I must say that I mostly share this opinion.
    There has been really too much debating over things that really can not be proved and we must all agree that accusing someone of being biased without evidences is probably not that good idea.

    And if something does not feel right in game (everyone has his own opinion so do I) I don't think it was implemented there with bad intentions.

    Like stubby said this is only a computer video game, although legendary one, but still a game.
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    Some people think bugs and changes are to do with bias. Online red vs blue mentality.

    Just an observation but there wasn't nearly as much of this prior to PF coming out.
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    Hate to say it but there was far less of this well before PF came out - and you know what I'm getting at.

    It's not necessarily bias; it's just caving in to who whines the most/loudest.

    And that's not necessarily the best thing to do when you tout a product on the basis of it's historical accuracy.

    Ta,
    Norris
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    If you have a room of a thousand poeple and ask them to write essay-answers to a series of questions, questions on any subject, there will be not two alike.

    So also a thousand developing a WWII flight sim, all thousand flight sims will be each a personal interpretation.

    So this is one man's, Oleg Maddox's personal interpretation of WWII air combat, along with those he invited to help him. Complaining about it is like telling VanGogh he needs to change one of his paintings a bit, he got it wrong!

    Go paint your own or shut the f*&ck up.

    Jumoschwanz
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