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Exactly ! But first one needs to get rid of PutinThe Israeli version of "Red Route One", ...Ehh???
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Absolutely!!Ahh I see. In this case, I think its part of Israels deterrence strategy that Iran know that sub could be lurking somewhere off its coast.
...But if the day comes when "The New Owners" decide that a "Final Solution" is required for one of their neighbor's nuclear ambitions; .....Well, ....Then, ....You certainly don't want to "telegraph" any of your moves! (......Did Günther Prien call Sir Winston before sailing for Scapa Flow???)
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Did Günther Prien call Sir Winston before sailing for Scapa Flow???)
Surely not, but Herbert Schulze of U-48 once sent a radio telegram to Winston Churchill informing him that he had just sunk the steamer Firby and it would be nice if he could come to rescue the crew
No joke.The Firby failed to sent its position along with the SSS message and so Teddy Suhren who was aboard as second officer had the idea (of course it was him
"Dear Mr. Churchill, i have just sunk the steamer Firby at (longitude,latitude) Please come rescue the crew
A german uboat."
The Firby was mentioned on U-48's conning tower along with other ships sunk on that patrol
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I think that analysis is a bit superficial: ....If the U.S. was REALLY that single-minded about oil, NOT A DROP of Iraqi oil would be flowing to anywhere but the Gulf Coast of the U.S.Yep, the same "mistake" as Sadam.
Once you stop selling oil for Dollars and only sell for Euros, you can be sure you'll get bombed in a very near future.
The issue we’re discussing here will be entirely a Israeli/Iranian thing; ……And it will be ALL about Iran’s absurd nuclear aspirations!
The simple fact that Israel felt the need to acquire two new, nuclear capable, A.I.P. submarines shows just how serious THEY are! ……And anyone who believes that they WON’T “pull the trigger” to interdict an Iranian Bomb Project has been on anti-depressants too long!
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Wow, I didn't know this thread would generate such interest. Thanks for the input everyone, especially Celeon with his "knack" for getting top secret photos. Just what was he doing for all those years before he moved into his post-socialist apartment building?
I used to think the US was possibly motivated by the oil-for-Euros scheme but I don't think that is necessarily valid. The amount of money spent on the Iraq war could have gone a long way to develop energy conservation measures or other areas for reducing reliance upon foreign oil.
I agree that Israel's motivation for getting these subs is defense related and for means of intimidating any possible foe who might think of nuking them. The US has done well with their "triad" concept of deterrence. With nukes distributed across land based silos, long range and carrier based aircraft and boomer subs, it is extremely unlikely that an enemy could launch a pre-emptive strike efficient enough to take out a retaliatory capacity. Israel is likely doing the same thing here; it is one thing to attack an enemy with only land based missiles, it is another thing to know that he has a few subs that will certainly be able to wipe you out in return. So far this concept of assured retaliation has the kept the world safe. I would not sleep so easy at night knowing some wingnut countries acquired nukes. North Korea is scary enough, Iran with nukes will be a nightmare, in my opinion.
