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    raaaid's Avatar Senior Member
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    why not call the dog nogreen?

    like those sensitive will understand no green, that is a black normal dog

    and the fanatics of historicity will understand the n WOord

    peace on you
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    Ah this so reminds me of roman statues that got fig leafs over certain parts as it was thought offencive in the 18th century, then a few centuries down the road they where put back to there original state.

    But I would be all for the PC-nutjobs to find a name like raaaid offencive!
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    Originally posted by AndyJWest:
    So You've discovered that when Gibson's dog was buried, they put his name on the gravestone. Wow! Truly astonishing!

    Can you please find out for us what religion the Pope is, and what bears do in the woods?....
    You missed my point in your haste to mock.

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    This latter case is just ridiculous and only reflects on a) the speaker's pronunciation, and/or b) the listener's hearing. There is a subtle but noticeable difference between '---ger' and '---gard', not to mention the obvious matter of context and the fact that the supposedly-heard '******ly' isn't even a word!
    Even ignoring the various accents and dialects spoken on the Atlantic Coast, in my experience, the vast majority of humanity hears what it expects to hear. You also overestimate the vocabulary of the ‘offended’ party, and underestimate his dependence upon being offended or outraged at perceived racial slights for his political power. For many African-Americans, anything that begins with the letters “n-i-g” MUST be derived from ‘that word’ and must therefore have its basis in racial prejudice against persons of dark skinned African descent.

    The mentality has become almost universal here in the States. It is not unusual for many young people to hear the word ‘prejudice’ or ‘discrimination’ and automatically assume the presence of the word ‘racial’ in front of them. The concept of using these words in any but a negative/racial context is totally alien to them. One cannot claim to have discriminating tastes or to be prejudiced even in favor of motherhood, the flag, and apple pie without someone giving him a (at best) quizzical look.

    Ironically, there is the word "niggly" in common usage, and it refers to constantly finding fault with petty details. Neither *****rdly nor niggly refer to race or colour in any way whatsoever.
    See what I said above. Those & similar sounding words have fallen into disuse on this side of the Atlantic, because far too often once you get to the hard ‘g’ sound, the conversation is over, and you, sir, are assumed to be a racist.

    In a land and time where ambulance drivers have to be careful about sudden stops lest a trial lawyer injure himself sprinting into the back of the ambulance, we are better off without a historically accurate portrayal of that one minor part of the Dambusters' story.

    cheers

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    I was under the impression the contentious term actually derives from mispronounced french.

    Not to worry ... I propose they eliminate the dog altogether and give the jolly blighter a cat for a pet/mascot instead
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    actually to my shame the word comes from the spanish name for colur black applied to slaves

    think also of nigeria

    oh man all those beasts must bhe in such a shame now
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    Haven't we been here before?

    Normally I do not have any time for Pc revisionist history. However in this case I can make an exception as I REALLY want this film to be made and the class of production team could not be better.

    The prospect of the raid being recreated by Weta Studios, whose credits include the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Avatar, is just too great to contemplate.

    It will bring the bravery and ingenuity of those involved into the conciousness of a new generation who have no knowledge of the raid whatsoever, and that can only be a good thing.

    It will be a travesty if the film is judged solely on the merits or otherwise of the dogs name!

    I just wish Gibson had called him Tiddles or something......well maybe not "Tiddles" because that's a cr@p name......but you get what I mean.
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    Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
    Haven't we been here before?

    Normally I do not have any time for Pc revisionist history. However in this case I can make an exception as I REALLY want this film to be made and the class of production team could not be better.

    The prospect of the raid being recreated by Weta Studios, whose credits include the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Avatar, is just too great to contemplate.

    It will bring the bravery and ingenuity of those involved into the conciousness of a new generation who have no knowledge of the raid whatsoever, and that can only be a good thing.

    It will be a travesty if the film is judged solely on the merits or otherwise of the dogs name!

    I just wish Gibson had called him Tiddles or something......well maybe not "Tiddles" because that's a cr@p name......but you get what I mean.
    Temped to agree

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    Originally posted by Worf101:
    Forgive me but isn't this the pet name FOR A DOG????!!!!! Four pages of angst and vitriol over whether or not the name of a dog should be changed from what it was 70 some odd years ago? Are you chittin' me?

    Worf
    Thanks for an injection of pure reality.

    Gibson named his dog not out of some pseudo-angst KKK motivation. He was a flier on the edge of death and had nothing more on his mind other than surviving the next night of Bombing Operations.

    He lost his life on Operations in 1944 over Holland in a Mosquito.

    There were Black fliers in the RAF at the time from Jamaica. Some were Officers. Some were not.

    Black people at that time in Britain were a curiosity. But they were not exempt from promotion in the RAF.

    In fact, I don't care what name they call his dog in the film.

    But it's wrong to use Political Corectness as a censor.


    Best Regards,
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    Originally posted by AndyJWest:
    Zooly, if you're worried about "disregard for historical fact", I think Hollywood has bigger problems than this.
    Then why post this thread?

    Best Regards,
    MB_Avro

    PS

    How did you get on with the DD Squad?
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