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Didn't Peter Jackson say last year that the DB film was cancelled?
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http://forum.keypublishing.co....dex.php?t-95642.html
I'm happy to leave the N word out of it. For what it's worth though, I reckon the whole dambuster story is unsuitable for a modern remake. The deed was remarkable and the original film was excellent, but having a modern audience sit through 3.5hrs of ponderously slow PJ storytelling just to go, Woohoo! We made a bomb that caused a heap of environmental damage, killed a heap of forced labourers and didn't make much of a dent in the Nazi war effort... Hardly seems like blockbuster material (no pun intended).
He'd be better wheeling out his WW1 collection instead. Do The Blue Max again with all it's sex, betrayal and shoot 'em in the face action. Audiences would lap that up.
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Oh and as a p.s. to the above of mine.....
To enter a public venue and discuss such things, even more so things that mean absolutely nothing to those making posts, the subject and opinions regarding others......Makes those who the subject does relate to feel as though they're being discussed in the third person, and as those who are not affected by it are discussing things clinically like discussing lab rats....
IOW as though above those it affects, and in the end whether intentional or not it comes off as though looking down on them....
IOW....'seeming' just as prejudiced, separate from, and feeling superior to those affected.
May not be the intention, yet how it comes off when it affects you.
IOW, none of your business...
K2
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....well no one ever 'rewrites' anything to suit the current 'consensus/meme' do they?
can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowdlerize
if renaming the dog is the worst historical 'howler' in the film then it should be rather good-roll on the 'rivet counting'
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Hi all,
Gibson's dog is buried at RAF Scampton.The home of 617 Squadron. It was the base from where the Lancasters launched their mission against Nazi Germany. A Germany who had dominated democratic Europe with their Evil regime.
Does anyone disagree that Nazi Germany was an Evil regime that inflicted cruel and barbarous acts?
I was at Scampton, the base for the Dam Busters Squadron. The grave marker for Gibson's dog still exists. It was made in 1943.
Guess what name it uses?
The N word.
Best Regards,
MB_Avro.
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So You've discovered that when Gibson's dog was buried, they put his name on the gravestone. Wow! Truly astonishing!
Can you please find out for us what religion the Pope is, and what bears do in the woods?....
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Well I've read this thread through and have noticed that no one has yet mentioned that both in the film and in the real events portrayed, the dog's name was also a radio codeword, used to report that Gibson's squadron had successfully destroyed one of its targets.
So, not that I agree with the word in question, but it is more than just a dogs name in an historial sence, but hey, nuff said, a nasty name that in a thousand years, no one will give a jot.
Can anyone tell me what the non believers called early Christians...
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Forgive me but isn't this the pet name FOR A DOG????!!!!! Four pages of angst and vitriol over whether or not the name of a dog should be changed from what it was 70 some odd years ago? Are you chittin' me?
Worf
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Maybe they could be trying to avoid a reaction like this:
"On January 15, 1999, David Howard, a white aide to Anthony A. Williams, the black mayor of Washington, D.C., used the word ("*****rdly")in reference to a budget. This apparently upset one of his black colleagues (identified by Howard as Marshall Brown), who interpreted it as a racial slur and lodged a complaint. As a result, on January 25 Howard tendered his resignation, and Williams accepted it.[1] However, after pressure from the gay community (of which Howard was a member) an internal review into the matter was brought about, and the mayor offered Howard the chance to return to his position as Office of the Public Advocate on February 4. Howard refused but accepted another position with the mayor instead, insisting that he did not feel victimized by the incident." -from the Wikipedia entry on "controversies about the word *****rdly".
Tempest in a teapot or not, there are those who will be upset and hurt, and those who will capitalize upon it (with bullhorns, protests and lawsuits) for their own reasons.
cheers
horseback
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Funny you should mention that. Back when I had a habit of reading medieval and celtic literature, "*****rdly" ie cheap or miserly, was a label that no would-be host would want to be labelled with. I didn't ever associate it with the more recent N-word that happens to rhyme with it. On reflection, when I had occasionally used it in conversation, lesser read types have looked at me very gravely indeed. Must remember not to do that anymore...
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This latter case is just ridiculous and only reflects on a) the speaker's pronunciation, and/or b) the listener's hearing. There is a subtle but noticeable difference between '---ger' and '---gard', not to mention the obvious matter of context and the fact that the supposedly-heard '******ly' isn't even a word!
Ironically, there is the word "niggly" in common usage, and it refers to constantly finding fault with petty details. Neither *****rdly nor niggly refer to race or colour in any way whatsoever.
None of this, however, prevents me from agreeing with the original topic and the decision to change the name of G.G's dog for the purposes of the film-makers. Times have changed and the 'N' word is almost universally understood to be a derisive and insulting word. Guy Gibson may not have been consciously racist, but he did grow up in a time when the white English middle-classes held black Africans in low regard, and the old slaver's word was considered normal to use. It was even used in the leather industry to describe a certain shade of dark brown, though this habit was dropped in the early '60s around the ascent of the Civil Rights Movement in the US.
Let's not see the revival of this proscribed word just to satisfy a minority's desire for factuality.