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    HarryVoyager wrote:
    - My questions reguard the damage model of the P-47's
    - turbosupercharger, and fuel tank leaks.
    -
    - First of all, was it intended that the P-47's engine
    - dies when the turbocharger is damaged?
    -
    - If it was not intended, is it planned to be fixed in
    - the upcomming patch?
    -
    - If it was intended, may we ask the reasoning behind
    - it? The turbo charger has no direct connection to
    - the engine, and to my knowledge, in other aircraft,
    - failure of the compressor only results in loss of
    - manifold pressure; problematic, true, but not fatal.
    -
    - Also, was it intended that fuel leaks on the P-47
    - should not stop? As it stands currently, any fuel
    - leak will continue until the fuel tank is entirely
    - drained. Even starting at 100% fuel, the entire
    - tank will drain in approximatly fifteen minutes.
    - It's a bit of a problem in the campaign missions.
    -
    - If it was not intended, is it planned to be fixed in
    - the next patch?
    -
    - If it was intended, again, may we ask the reasoning
    - behind it? While the P-43 had difficulties with
    - it's self-sealing fuel tanks, I have not heard of
    - such problems with the P-47.
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    - Harry Voyager
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    Amen Harry...I brought up the fact that the Jug has an engine with a glass jaw numerous times. Histyorically the Jug was known to return to base with entire cylinder heads missing, parts of trees still lodged in the plane from collisions when ground pounding, huge holes from 20mm shells etc. The smaller hunting rifle caliber rounds rarely went through anything, sans the wings, on the jug that had any kind of armour behind it. the wings and the engine have completely different amounts of armour and reinforncement behind them. As for the fuel tanks..that thread I started on them was shrugged off. Apparently from the responses I was given the self sealing tanks didn't stop large leaks and even if they did stop a leak it was not instantly..Well if that is the case and only small leaks seal..I want them to stop the leaks I get from the BS UBER 7.62mm rounds to seal. Let us pray that they Fix the Jug..but even if they don't we can flex some U.S. muscle in the Mustang. That is of course they don't rush it like they did the Jug.

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    Harry Voyager wrote these words long ago. As I write this, these two damage model issues with the P-47 still exist, in all 3 versions of the plane:

    Originally posted by HarryVoyager:
    My questions reguard the damage model of the P-47's turbosupercharger, and fuel tank leaks.

    First of all, was it intended that the P-47's engine dies when the turbocharger is damaged?

    If it was not intended, is it planned to be fixed in the upcomming patch?

    If it was intended, may we ask the reasoning behind it? The turbo charger has no direct connection to the engine, and to my knowledge, in other aircraft, failure of the compressor only results in loss of manifold pressure; problematic, true, but not fatal.

    Also, was it intended that fuel leaks on the P-47 should not stop? As it stands currently, any fuel leak will continue until the fuel tank is entirely drained. Even starting at 100% fuel, the entire tank will drain in approximatly fifteen minutes. It's a bit of a problem in the campaign missions.

    If it was not intended, is it planned to be fixed in the next patch?

    If it was intended, again, may we ask the reasoning behind it? While the P-43 had difficulties with it's self-sealing fuel tanks, I have not heard of such problems with the P-47.

    I am aware that these two issues have been discussed before, but I have not read if there has been any resolution to them, and as a dedicated P-47 pilot, I have a vested interest in this.

    Harry Voyager

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    The engine death was later found to be that the oil radiator were mounted in the chin of the aircraft. That is most likely what was getting hit, and reasonably corresponds to the effects of the damage.

    Though, some responce to the effect, before the whole debate had degenerated into its regretable uglieness, would have been greatly appreciated, and probably would have saved a lot of hard feelings all around.

    The fuel tank leak, I still have run into no information on, though I'd hazard a guess that it is an artifact of having the unified fuel tank system. I.e. the aft tank was relatively easy to permanently breach, but the forward tank was separate enough from the aft tank that the aft tank would not drain it. However, as all fuel tanks in Il-2 are modeled as one large interconnected fuel tank, rupturing one tank ruptures them all, netting us, the Leaky Jug syndrome.

    Harry Voyager

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    So the fixes to the P-47 should generally be:

    1) Since the game models a single unified tank and does not accurately represent the robust independent fuel tank system that should be present on the aircraft would it not stand to reason that the aircrafts self sealing tanks should then behave like others to make up for the difference (this has been done elsewhere in the case of the syncronized .50 cals getting more ammo to make up for something else)

    2) The aircrafts roll rate on a single version, which has little difference from the other versions with exception of the canopy and some more fuel, needs to be fixed.

    Thats not too bad...this is a great plane in the game from time to time. Its just got some teething problems that do need to be addresssed one way or another.

    I don't believe in this bias thing either. I'm glad many have rejected it.


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