First off I would like to say to Oleg and his people that you have done heck of a job with the sim through out the years. On top of that you just keep making it better and better as we go!!! What I would like to know is why all the planes such as the P-51, P-47, and P-38 have been made so weak? What I mean is now just about the only thing a P-51 can out turn is a bomber. The P-47 I can understand not turning so well. I'm not sure if this has been talked about before or not. I'm sure it has but I thought that I would ask. I know there are all kinds of documents stating that this plane is this good at this altitude and all that kind of stuff. However the P-51 was one of the top fighters of WW2 and I do have statistics and comparisons to the P-51 against other planes such as the 109, 190, ect. So before I get flamed for just not knowing how to fly it, I know all about using prop pitch fuel and all that stuff. I've been flying this sim is the IL2 days. Anyway, this isn't a gripe or whine!!! Just a couple of questions that I had. I certainly appreciate everything that happens with the sim and I love it.
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Point-man
Yes...and the earth is a flat discOriginally posted by realpointman:
First off I would like to say to Oleg and his people that you have done heck of a job with the sim through out the years. On top of that you just keep making it better and better as we go!!! What I would like to know is why all the planes such as the P-51, P-47, and P-38 have been made so weak? What I mean is now just about the only thing a P-51 can out turn is a bomber. The P-47 I can understand not turning so well. I'm not sure if this has been talked about before or not. I'm sure it has but I thought that I would ask. I know there are all kinds of documents stating that this plane is this good at this altitude and all that kind of stuff. However the P-51 was one of the top fighters of WW2 and I do have statistics and comparisons to the P-51 against other planes such as the 109, 190, ect. So before I get flamed for just not knowing how to fly it, I know all about using prop pitch fuel and all that stuff. I've been flying this sim is the IL2 days. Anyway, this isn't a gripe or whine!!! Just a couple of questions that I had. I certainly appreciate everything that happens with the sim and I love it.
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Whoah!.. REalpointman - with all respect all three of those birds are stellar performers. I fly mostly the p38 - I stay away from the p51 because it's too easy! In my opinion it's turn is, if anything, overmodeled - unless you make the mistake of getting into a low-speed circle fight - which is not how the p51 was ever flown - it rules the air. The P47 is also a very impressive fighter but must be kept fast - even more than the mustang.
In any case - I too have been flyng since the original demo - formerly I flew the 190 almost exclusively - the first time I tried a p51 was against a couple of very good late 109 drivers - they fought an extremely tight tactical fight where one would engage and dive away while the other separated and climbed - it required very careful energy management because if I let one get on my six the other would be along shortly while I tried to evade - likewise if I pursued the one in front of me at the expense of overal tactical advantage. I was unable to beat them in the p39n1 because it just didn't have the vertical fight and I was starting from the deck - in the mustang neither of them even got off a shot.
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Hi realpointman
I see you registered quite late for playing this sim from IL2 times. Fw190D9 was one of the top fighters of ww2. Have you tried how it turns?
(Hint: check: http://www.airwarfare.com and search for energy fighting instead of stall fighting)
The newly-arrived Mustang was quickly recognized as being the best fighter aircraft yet to be delivered from the USA. It was found to be superior to the Kittyhawk, Airacobra and Spitfire in both speed and maneuverability at low altitudes. Maximum speed was 382 mph at 13,000 feet. At all heights up to 20,000 feet, the Mustang was faster than any other fighter then in service with the RAF. Rate of climb, acceleration, speed in a dive, stability, handling in all configurations, rate of roll and radius of turn were all rated as being satisfactory to outstanding. The armament of four 0.50-inch and four 0.30-inch machine guns was heavy and effective. The range was nearly double that of any RAF single-engined fighter. It was 25 to 45 mph faster than the Spitfire V at altitudes up to 15,000 feet. The problem was the rapid fall-off in performance at altitudes above 15,000 feet, caused by its low-altitude Allison engine which was supercharged for best performance at low levels. The Spitfire could climb to 20,000 feet in seven minutes, while the Mustang required 11. Both the Spitfire and the Messerschmitt Bf 109 were more nimble at higher altitudes. The Mustang weighed about a third again as much as a Spitfire, and was considered as being somewhat underpowered.
The relatively poor high altitude performance of the Mustang was more than just a minor deficiency, since most aerial combat over Europe at that time was taking place at medium to high altitudes. Consequently, it was decided that the Mustang I could be best used for low-level tactical reconnaissance and ground attack, where full advantage could be taken of its exceptional low-altitude performance.
Yes, apparently the P-47 had wiped out most of the experianced LW pilots on the west front by the time the Mustang was availible in numbers. The Mustang has stolen the thunderOriginally posted by jurinko:
P-38 is a bit questionable, but P-47 and P-51 are very capable planes. Early Mustanges are also quite good turners. Put dozens of them with altitude advantage against few Bf 109 with novice pilots in 10km altitude and you can re-play the battle for Germany in late 44/early 45.of the Jug for far too long.
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