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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
    For me Wetterholts post is just a whine about whiners who doesnt exist yet. Ppl like different types of planes. So dont like bombers? Dont fly them, but let them who enjoy them have them without beeing whined on about whines who never were whined about in the first place. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I was just going to post exactly the same thing.
    I agree 100%!
    I like bombers a lot, but i don't want them to fly like fightres and be invulnerable.
    And I do want torpedo bombers (carrier borne), and they are also bombers, not fighters, so they should not fly 600mph with 6 jet engines and on top of that be invulnerable, I want a plane that can carry torpedos from my carrier to the enemys.
    Ok, thats about it...
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RWetterholt:
    Hello all...

    First off...everyone that has already posted about 3.04 being a flop and 3.04 not promising the added aircraft that are supposedly coming...shut the **** up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I totally agree. Just look at what we did get with 3.04.

    - Now there are American ships at Pearl Harbor not English.

    - Now I can fly an Avenger, one of the most prolific aircraft in the Pacific and a key element of the Pacific Air War.

    - Now I can play a meaningful and enjoyable campaign.

    Who needs the Betty when we have all that.
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  3. #23
    Hello all...

    All you "bomber aces"...you got something else coming. I jump in my trusty Hellcat and you jump in your "trusty" Betty bomber and we will see who is at the bottom of Iron Bottom Sound after about 30 seconds...aka...two passes. Chances are...it would not be the Hellcat. Now I am sorry...but don't take this the wrong way?

    A) If the Betty was such a good bomber and has the capability to send fighters into the depths of Iron Bottom Sound as some of you proclaim...what language are we communicating in right now?

    B) *Scratches Head* How did Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto end up being killed? Oh yeah...by some P-38's that intercepted his shall I say...Betty bomber!

    But I guess if your cup of tea is getting mericlessly slaughtered by Allied fighters and then doing it over...and over...and over again...all the while maybe putting some holes in the same attacking fighter that shot you down 27 passes ago...then by all means...scream for that Betty...the world needs targets too.

    "There are two types of aircraft. Fighters and targets!"

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  4. #24
    Gamers never understand that some people actually like doing historic missions. My entire squad enjoys doing them. We, on the other hand get bored pretty quickly doing nothing but lame fighter furballs. Maybe because it's been done in every single combat flight sim since the begining.
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    Hey cwojackson...

    Where is that Avenger?
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
    why you gripe for $40 on a great sim like this?

    You've been given something so good that you are spoiled. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    pf is great, but thats not the issue, selling something saying its got X included when it hasnt, thats my beef

    u can say patch but a) it hasnt arrived, b) to a offwhiner it may not ever arrive

    theres laws/rules to protect the consumer, so companies dont do this all the time. imagine everything u bought, had something missing, ud get angry when u got no wheels on your car
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RWetterholt:
    Hello all...

    All you "bomber aces"...you got something else coming. I jump in my trusty Hellcat and you jump in your "trusty" Betty bomber and we will see who is at the bottom of Iron Bottom Sound after about 30 seconds...aka...two passes. Chances are...it would not be the Hellcat. Now I am sorry...but don't take this the wrong way?

    A) If the Betty was such a good bomber and has the capability to send fighters into the depths of Iron Bottom Sound as some of you proclaim...what language are we communicating in right now?

    B) *Scratches Head* How did Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto end up being killed? Oh yeah...by some P-38's that intercepted his shall I say...Betty bomber!

    But I guess if your cup of tea is getting mericlessly slaughtered by Allied fighters and then doing it over...and over...and over again...all the while maybe putting some holes in the same attacking fighter that shot you down 27 passes ago...then by all means...scream for that Betty...the world needs targets too.

    "There are two types of aircraft. Fighters and targets!"

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    a) dont be a twonk, b) if u where a decent pilot, ud atleast damage severly, any other bomber
    c) fighters are merly secondary aircraft, primary aircraft are bombers and recon aircraft, they are the ones that will help the ground forces. fighter jocks are secondary, no primary aircraft to escort/stop, no aircraft

    u can fly around thinking your the hero of the usn, while other aircraft go and do whats needed
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  9. #29
    who cares if it can get shot down by planes 5 years newer than it? Doesn't mean we shouldn't get it in the game. It was an important part of the Pacific War and should be included.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RWetterholt:
    Hello all...

    All you "bomber aces"...you got something else coming. I jump in my trusty Hellcat and you jump in your "trusty" Betty bomber and we will see who is at the bottom of Iron Bottom Sound after about 30 seconds...aka...two passes. Chances are...it would not be the Hellcat. Now I am sorry...but don't take this the wrong way?

    A) If the Betty was such a good bomber and has the capability to send fighters into the depths of Iron Bottom Sound as some of you proclaim...what language are we communicating in right now?

    B) *Scratches Head* How did Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto end up being killed? Oh yeah...by some P-38's that intercepted his shall I say...Betty bomber!

    But I guess if your cup of tea is getting mericlessly slaughtered by Allied fighters and then doing it over...and over...and over again...all the while maybe putting some holes in the same attacking fighter that shot you down 27 passes ago...then by all means...scream for that Betty...the world needs targets too.

    "There are two types of aircraft. Fighters and targets!"

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    a) dont be a twonk, b) if u where a decent pilot, ud atleast damage severly, any other bomber
    c) fighters are merly secondary aircraft, primary aircraft are bombers and recon aircraft, they are the ones that will help the ground forces. fighter jocks are secondary, no primary aircraft to escort/stop, no aircraft

    u can fly around thinking your the hero of the usn, while other aircraft go and do whats needed <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree with Pingu

    Once again Wetterholt, bomberjocks generally arent gloryseeking wannabe heroes. They dont need the 'best' or 'latest' planes to have fun. They often use something called teamwork to achieve a goal on a map. Try to broaden your narrow fighterjock mentality and you might enjoy another aspect of this game/sim whatever you wanna call it instead of constantly griping of bomberjocks. I can only assume it will get even worse the first time your windscreen goes black from the first 20 mm hit from a Betty

    As for

    a) You fail miserably to understand what the qualities of Betty was in real life. Yes it was vunerable, but it also had a range that put most allied contemporary bombers to shame. Unfortunatly thats not an issue for arcade pilots who wants to fly 30 seconds to nearest furball. Search for "the destruction of force z" , and the sinking of "Prince of Wales" and "Repulse" and who knows...you might learn something new today.

    b) Your point is what? That P-38s can shoot down bombers? Well hooooopla i think we all knew that.
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