This is not a flame discussion and I don`t want to go through who`s right or wrong as a player/flyer, but...
It just occurred to me that while I tend to say I`m a full real flyer, I`m not actually a `full switch` flyer.
I sometimes get the 2 mixed up. Let me explain.
On my difficulty selections I always have:
No external views to off.
No instant success to off.
Does this mean I`m not a full real flyer, even though in the menu if I had all this on it would be considered by the menu as Realistic?
No.
I have external views on not to cheat while flying, but so I can look at my own aircraft on take off and (after I land or get shot down) I can view how my AI squadm8s did. Also, the graphics of the aircraft are still too good to miss.
`No Instant Success` to ON is definitely NOT realistic even though it`s included as `Realistic` on full switch in the menu. Pilots did not have to restart every identical mission cos they failed it the first time. The pilot might be sent on a similar straight away, but not go back through time to redo the same thing. So that should NOT be in the REALISTIC section.
With these settings, I`ve always considered it realisic, but it`s actually not realistic to IL2`s settings...
Interesting... Full switch is not in my humble opinion Realistic. I consider myself a full real flyer, but not a full switch flyer.
Just a thought.
Externals on is probably the biggest killer of realism in this game. It has several problems including people using it for 'radar' to find the enemy, used to assist in turn fights, used to prevent sneaking up on an opponent not to mention checking to see if gear is down after a mission/level of damage etc.
It's nice to see things going on but it's less "realistic", to me, than using the WW view.
Cheers,
Norris
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When I fly offline missions, I always use outside view. Not only because the AI has an edge over any human player but, also to look a bit outside to some eyecandy during long missions.
When I fly online, I would prefer only the speedbar on. Outside views should be off because it just is not realistic. If everything is right, all the difficuty settings apply to all pilots. So, looking out of the cockpit, spotting and intercepting incoming contacts and setting up an attack will come close to what real WWII pilots had to do to get a kill. This way, the pilots who sees the other one first, will have better chances of winning the engagement. That is why I am against any form of Icons in an online engagement. Some people prefer friendly icons only. However, that means that any contact who doesn't have an icon or, a grey one, is an enemy. And all the effect of no-outside view is lost. Anyways, Icons ruin the gameplay for me because you are focussing on detecting them and, it looks extremly unrealistic to me.
Il-2 was for me the ultimate sim to let me feel what WWII pilots felt, taking all the limitations of a PC in consideration. Maybe some modern day jetfighters can project radar blips as icons on the glasses of the pilot but, that wasn't the case in WWII so, I won't use icons much.
No External Views = offOriginally posted by SeaFireLIV:
...I consider myself a full real flyer, but not a full switch flyer.
Just a thought.
I don't think anyone will consider you a 'full real' flyer with externals on. The aircraft might be handling in a more realistic way but SA is a different story.
Believe me sitting in a real Spit and sitting in these will tell you your living a pipe dream if you think its full real, I have a heck of a better view in a real Spit than anything you have here, same goes for the likes of the Mustang and 190's I have sat in....... for one you can crank your head over to get a better look behind you
I agree with Taylortony, the view out back is not as good as that which a pilot who was peering around would get. It is also very slow to turn the view from left rear to right rear, no silk scarf needed for sure.
Maybe a new "check your six" view showing what a pilot who was really trying would see? Beats sailing all over the sky looking over one shoulder.
Ok, my fault. I should have mentioned this is flying OFFLINE in a Campaign. As I said before I NEVER use externals to fly or fight, I stay rigidly in the pit. I guess it`s a simple form of self control.Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Externals on is probably the biggest killer of realism in this game. It has several problems including people using it for 'radar' to find the enemy, used to assist in turn fights....It's nice to see things going on but it's less "realistic", to me, than using the WW view.
Cheers,
Norris
ONLINE is different, I REFUSE to go on servers with EXTERNALS on, because I know people will use it to cheat and see where they otherwise couldn`t.
Guess I should`ve made that clear, but it was early in the day...
Offline I always have external views enabled.
So much to look at...and many of my missions ends without me being alive.![]()
Online I find having them off preferable.
No External Views = offOriginally posted by DarkBlueMan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
...I consider myself a full real flyer, but not a full switch flyer.
Just a thought.
I don't think anyone will consider you a 'full real' flyer with externals on. The aircraft might be handling in a more realistic way but SA is a different story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Scuse me..what do you mean by 'The aircraft might be handling in a more realistic way' ?
The aircraft will be handling in a more realstic way with the relevent switches on, such as 'stalls and spins'. Wether the aircraft handles in a realistic way overall is a matter of opinion. It will certainly be handling in a more realistic manner with the switches on than with them off.
Seafire considers himself to fly 'full real'. I would assume most of his difficulty switches are set 'on'.
When trying to simulate a 'realistic' flying experience you really shouldn't be able to jump outside your aircraft, have a look around, then jump back in.