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    I'm 100% sure the winner is Ta-152H-1.

    Luftwaffe strictly selected pilots who have long long torso which enabled them to look over the bar and this made Ta-152H-1 five times better fighter than Dora.




    I'm sorry I know I'm beating dead horse but couldn't resist it.

    Seriously, this single difference brings huge gap in every aspect of combat maneuver.
    Download 2 images, open them on 2 windows and try go back and forth.(EDIT: made gif file. )
    Hope Fw-190s in BOB to have view of Ta-152, not current Fws'.
    Anyway no one would need to whine cause we'll have 6dof support then. First reason I wait for BOB.
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    does "the bar" qualify already as (one of) the single most requested changes / whines?

    but i wholeheartedly agree - we need a new bar
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    If we ignore the bar issue, the Ta 152 has more advantages over the D-9.

    1. it climbs better
    2. it turns better
    3. more effective armament
    4. faster at alt
    5. twice the range

    You get all of the above plus, you get to keep the D-9's excellent level/dive acceleration. Superb elevator authority at high speeds, and it's only 10-15km/h slower at sealevel. It's a great fighter in-game, and it was a great fighter in RL.

    Still, I'd love to see a Fw 190D-13 in this sim. But I realise that wont happen.
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    Originally posted by robban75:
    If we ignore the bar issue, the Ta 152 has more advantages over the D-9.

    1. it climbs better
    2. it turns better
    3. more effective armament
    4. faster at alt
    5. twice the range
    The pilot who has long long torso can double(or triple) that advantage.
    Bar was there. The problem is torso height.
    So the man said it right. It's the man, not the machine.

    Oh yeah, I got my stinking 1,000 posts count.
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    robban75's Avatar Senior Member
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    And I have just reached 3,000 posts. Might as well get it in a thread about the D-9 and Ta 152.
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    Still, I'd love to see a Fw 190D-13 in this sim.
    +1
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    This pictures are good to show how irrelevant this bar issue is. IF anyone needs that extra 5 pixels to hit something, it must annalyse their tatics.

    Roll issues are much more important than things like the semi-mithical bar.
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    Just out of question guys ( P-40 flyer) how much difference does the bar ACTUALLY make to your flying?
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    Ta-152 had good enough performance that the Ta pilots did not need to scrunch down low in the cockpit to hide from Ally pilots like the Dora pilots did so they would not be seen -- nobody shot at planes with empty cockpits. So, the confident Ta pilots usually had better view since they could sit high in the cockpit and be seen by Ally pilots and still win the Dogfight.
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    Brain32's Avatar Senior Member
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    Just out of question guys ( P-40 flyer) how much difference does the bar ACTUALLY make to your flying?
    It's not about flying, it's about shooting...
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