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    Howdy,

    Here's a question for the plane & WWII historians and overall savvy folks of this forum ... How early could the Do-355 have been put in service if the P.59 had not been canceled in early 1940 and priority given to the development of a new multi-role prop. fighter (and less to the Me-262)? (Facts taken from Wikipedia)

    Thanks in advance.

    cheers!
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    If I had to make a (very) uneducated guess, I will put the first delivery to squadrons for summer 1943 ... which is likely to be very optimistic, but allow for 2 or so years of operations, meaning severals IL2 campaigns ;-)
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    Hmm, thats a very tough and alsmot unanswerable question!

    Is this for an online dogfight map you are making? Or maybe an offline campaign>?


    I find the Do335 to be an absolutely excellent plane on dogfight/miniwar amps. Its incredibly fast and can carry a massive 2000k bomb in its intgernal bomb bay. YOu can race to the target, bomb it, and have a clean plane which is possibly the best B&Zer in the game. Its just so fast, and nothing beats the Mk103 cannon.

    Its a real map winner when its available.

    Can you tell us a bit more about why you want this info? That would help us to give a better answer regarding plane matchups etc.

    Right now I would say very early 1944, if it was rushed forward and have gotten into large scale service. But as I said, its really unanswerable, and only guessable.
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    Thanks for the answer Xiolablu3. I'm looking for a somewhat realistic period (not Do-335 vs P.11) at which a dynamic Luftwaffe campaign could be setup (e.g. swap a Me-110 squadron planes for the Do-335) to make use of the Do-335 while respecting the historical time frame of WW2 (after all it's not very clear if any Pfeil ever seen action, there's some reports that some might have).
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    I think the actual idea for the Pfeil came fairly late. Even if it had be given top priority, I'd be suprised if it would have arrived to squadrons in any meaningful number before spring 1944.
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    Originally posted by okb001:
    Thanks for the answer Xiolablu3. I'm looking for a somewhat realistic period (not Do-335 vs P.11) at which a dynamic Luftwaffe campaign could be setup (e.g. swap a Me-110 squadron planes for the Do-335) to make use of the Do-335 while respecting the historical time frame of WW2 (after all it's not very clear if any Pfeil ever seen action, there's some reports that some might have).
    Rgr that mate.

    The big question is really what are you going to give red in order to balance the fight? A Do335 in early 1944 is going to be quite dominant vs La5FN's and Spitfire IX's (non 25lbs)

    The best maps I see online using the Do335 use the Spitfire 25lbs, Yak3 or the La7 type planes in order to keep it a balanced fight and create a good balanced map. Often the numbers of Do335's are also limited to around 15 planes, so the game is not saturated with them.

    I think you are going to find it hard to find credible opposition for the Do335 in January 1944. Its possible that if you know how to fly it, and strictly B&Z, the Do335 will just dominate.

    A Do335 appearing online on a map which is using January 1944 planes for red, would see everyone flying blue and most people flying red being used as target practice.

    Of course the Do335 is not a fighter plane for novices. It doesnt turn well at all, so its strictly B&Z/energy fighting. Definitely not a turn and burner.

    It is however extremely fast, and can outtrun any other prop plane IIRC?
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    Actually Xiolablu3, I'm mainly concerned about off-line play and mostly about Jabo type missions.
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    Friendly_flyer, here's the part of the Wikipedia article on the Do-335 I was referring to earlier:

    "In 1939 Dornier was busy working on the P.59 high speed bomber project, which featured the tandem engine layout. In 1940 he commissioned a test aircraft to validate his concept for turning the rear, "pusher" propeller with an engine located far away from it and using a long driveshaft. This aircraft, the Göppingen Gö 9 showed that there were no unforeseen difficulties with this arrangement, but work on the P.59 was stopped in early 1940 when Hermann Göing ordered the cancellation of all projects which would not be complete within a year or so.

    In May 1942 Dornier submitted an updated version with a 1,000 kg bombload as the P.231, in response to a requirement for a single seat high speed bomber/intruder (other entries included the Blohm & Voss BV 155). P.231 was selected as the winner after beating rival designs from Arado and Junkers, and a development contract was awarded as the Do 335. In the Autumn of 1942 Dornier was told that the Do 335 was no longer required, and instead a multi-role fighter based on the same general layout would be accepted. This delayed the prototype delivery as it was modified for the new role.

    Fitted with Daimler-Benz DB 603A engines delivering 1,750 PS (1, 726 hp, 1,287 kW) at take-off, the first prototype flew in October 1943. The pilots were surprised at the speed, acceleration, turning circle and general handling of the type; it was a twin that flew like a single. The only sore spots they found were the poor rearward visibility and weak landing gear. V2 and V3 incorporated several minor changes; the oil cooler under the nose incorporated into the annular engine cowling, blisters were added to the canopy with small rear view mirrors, and the main undercarriage doors were redesigned.

    On May 23, 1944 Hitler ordered maximum priority to be given to Do 335 production. The main production line was intended to be at Manzel, but a bombing raid in March destroyed the tooling and forced Dornier to set up a new line at Oberpfaffenhofen. The decision was made to cancel the Heinkel He 219 and use its production facilities for the Do 335 as well. However, Ernst Heinkel managed to delay, and eventually ignore, its implementation."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-335
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    To be honest, I should confess that I'm just looking for some not too unrealistic excuses to ditch the Fw-190 as soon as possible ;-) Not that the Fw-190 is a bad plane, it's just that the Do-355 is a really neat fun plane.
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    You're right okb001, the date I suggested is a bit late. However, had the Pfeil gotten the go-ahead in 1939, it probably would be a different aircraft with a weaker engine and perhaps different armament as well. The one we have now is very much a late war plane in all respects.

    Oh, and yes, it's a very fun plane to fly!
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