A community poll on 6DoF and how you fly the sim.. | Forums

[T_O_A_D]

6Dof is the initial reason I even tried the Hacked versions of the game.

The 109 had cliping in the rear wing root for years, without 6dof, and it took the modding community to address that.

So what, if we have a bit of clipping on other aircraft at this point.

And from my experience, I've found no clipping that aids in my situation awareness, just untidy rendering.

Heck I noticed yesterday after all these years the FW190 struts shadow is disconnected from the aircraft shadow. This game isn't perfect, and very long on the tooth. So whats the difference at this point.

From what I understand, a large majority of TD started out in this venture they now have as part of the contributing Modder community anyway.

I say they should step up and fix it, the best they can. If nothing more than to incorporate it, as is into the stock version.

Olegs next game, with the experience gained from IL2 can be perfect.

[M2morris]

I say put it in there and let the whiners whine while we work out any glitches.



(It is the year 2036)

Topic: IL2 and retina software glitch.


"I am having trouble with my TIR 12. It seems that the retina-scan 7DOF software is acting up because when I move my eyes around nothing happens. When I turn my head to the left I can look and still lean my head out the cockpit and put my face into the propeller blast,but still there is no eye-tracking going on, only head movements are being detected. I have tried re-installing, but no luck. Does anybody have any idea whats wrong.?"

[Mysticpuma2003]

Cheers BC, I was going to link to my Poll, but you got here first, much appreciated.

I asked the initial question because it just seems crazy that TIR has been around for years, simmers love to use it (those who have it), or even use a Webcam tracking solution and yet, even though it exists in the "Voldermort-he who shall not be named" MODS, it seems that requesting it is like saying "I'm just going to buy a Broomstick and Hat at the local store in Salem!"

Also, the option you added re. excellent Mods I agree with totally. Some of the developments in P-51's have been brilliant as have the cockpits in the P-47 (hang your head in shame stock '47). Also smoke and fire effects (HolyGrail Plutonium take a bow) as-well as tracer now ricocheting and smoke from tracer along with smoke from gun pots behind the wing. All subtle but totally, totally immersive!

I know MODS are frowned on by purists, but by voicing an opinion in a Poll at-least those that we consider viable can get a possible chance of being added to future patches.

If you look at my thread at the 1C forums, you will see that Bearcat has put some great points forward, including the fact that we don't need a 'Gazillion' 109/190 variants, the stock game is the unifying IL2 install, but additions such as tracking, tracer bounce, smoke effects, 109 wing-root fixes, 190 Bar fixes, etc,etc, should surely get a chance of being included as they have been long-standing irritations that can be fixed if the "One Small Step for IL2 Users, one Giant leap for 1C/TD" can be taken.......but I don't need to land a P-47 on the moon just yet!

Cheers, MP

[WTE_Galway]

Originally posted by W32Blaster:
I mean, what % of the players is using silly specialised Hardware like rudder and hotas sitting in front of the PC in the first place? 1? 5? Maybe even 10?

And that 10 % are freaks, since it is possible to fly with keyboard and mouse.

Wake up, its 2011 and we have Hotas and rudder and TIR and we want to use it to get maximum gameplay and immersion!

I fly with my wii mote

[tomtheyak]

Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
No

I sense some paranoia here about 6DoF

Its totally unrealistic.

You flown small cockpit a/c Alpha?

I'm guessing not cos then you'd realise what your saying is frankly wrong.

Straps can be loosened, and whilst a good tight lap belt is a priority to keep you in your seat, loosening shoulder straps is a must to be able to peer round the framing or back over the tail, lean forward to adjust instruments - particularly the Spitfire, where the compass bowl is situated down in front of the joystick - IIRC the spitfire had a two length shoulder strap adjustment, one tight the other allowing more freedom of movement for just such eventualities. Indeed, more than one Spit pilot forgetting to tighten it found the gunsite was the first thing to remind him of his oversight in the event of a sudden stop!

[Bearcat99]

Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
Cheers BC, I was going to link to my Poll, but you got here first, much appreciated.
I asked the initial question because it just seems crazy that TIR has been around for years, simmers love to use it (those who have it), or even use a Webcam tracking solution and yet, even though it exists in the "Voldermort-he who shall not be named" MODS, it seems that requesting it is like saying "I'm just going to buy a Broomstick and Hat at the local store in Salem!"

Also, the option you added re. excellent Mods I agree with totally. Some of the developments in P-51's have been brilliant as have the cockpits in the P-47 (hang your head in shame stock '47). Also smoke and fire effects (HolyGrail Plutonium take a bow) as-well as tracer now ricocheting and smoke from tracer along with smoke from gun pots behind the wing. All subtle but totally, totally immersive!

I know MODS are frowned on by purists, but by voicing an opinion in a Poll at-least those that we consider viable can get a possible chance of being added to future patches. If you look at my thread at the 1C forums, you will see that Bearcat has put some great points forward, including the fact that we don't need a 'Gazillion' 109/190 variants, the stock game is the unifying IL2 install, but additions such as tracking, tracer bounce, smoke effects, 109 wing-root fixes, 190 Bar fixes, etc,etc, should surely get a chance of being included as they have been long-standing irritations that can be fixed if the "One Small Step for IL2 Users, one Giant leap for 1C/TD" can be taken.......but I don't need to land a P-47 on the moon just yet!
Cheers, MP

Not a problem Neil.. and I agree with everything you said. Unlike some others in this thread I am not going to **** their choice to not use mods for whatever reason they have done so. That is their prerogative but let us be clear about one indisputable fact.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">MODS HAVE BEEN MORE BOON THAN BANE TO THIS SIM.</span>

That is a fact. People can say what they want and the purists can still go on and on about things they know nothing about (If you have never tried mods then you really can't render an informed opinion as to their veracity or lack therof..), but the fact remains that there have been more great improvements to this sim as a result of it's being hacked than any of us expected when this all jumped off.

The fact that:

A)We never did see the rampant cheating online that was expected by most of the folks who were anti mod initially, myself included.

B)Some of the mods were actually good functional improvements to the sim, like the radiator bi directional mod (addressed by TD by putting the radiator on an axis), the minimap mod, one which removed that hokey frame and another which allowed for bidirectional zooming on the minimap and the briefing map), the animated flag mod.. (I think that is one of the most underrated mods out.. but it is great and it doesn't hit the resources at all), the skinmod which allowed you to set default skins accordingly.. and to this day I just love it when I can fly overhome plate and see rows of Redtail Mustangs parked on the tarmac, the splashscreen mod, all the ones Neil mentioned.. and I could go on for a bit.

C)Team Diadalos is made up of many former modders... Zuti's MDS mod (one of the greatest of all the mods if you ask me.. I can't tell you how many times folks have wished they could do what Zuti now makes possible ..) has been incorporated into the sim for crying out loud..

.... says a lot about the impact that mods have had on this sim. I am glad that it was so positive and that my personal misgivings about mods based upon past experience were proven unfounded.


I sincerely believe that if there is to be any unity .. or let me rephrase that... the best chance for any unity in this sim must and should come from 1C/TD.. The mod community will only be able to unify but so much. At some point it is going to get ridiculous. How many variants of aircraft do you need before it gets just totally unmanageable. Right now in the UP2.01 we have 53 variants of the 109 and 31 variants of the 190.. (as opposed to the 15/9 versions in the stock sim ... that means that there are 38 modded 109s.. and 22 modded 190s... ) I would be willing to wager that if 1C/TD were to seriously consider implementing more of the already existing mods into the sim particularly some of the ones mentioned by Neil & myself.. and perhaps a few of the modded planes.. like some of the ones that have few variants in the stock sim, like some of the Japanese planes or American planes.. and a few others.. more people would fly stock.. or at the very lest the stock sim could become the standard which everyone would go by. There will be those who will always fly modded.. there will be those who will always turn up their noses at mods.. regardless of the facts... but 1C/TD is in a unique position right now to really bring this sim around. I hope that they all see this opportunity and use it for what it is. The 6Dof could be tightened up a bit in the stock sim.. but it needs to be implemented.

[PB4Tazman]

I wish that we could get the sounds in the stock game upgraded to what the mods have shown is possible. When I do try to fly the stock version, I find the generic engine sounds really negatively effect the sense immersion for me. Between 6DOF and upgraded sounds, I would vote for sounds.

Just my 2cents!

Cheers,

PB4Tazman

[AngeloEvs]

Voted 'yes' for 6DOF Stock.
A small handfull of people will say NO for reasons that lack any substance and, laughably, some based on the premise that it isn't 'realistic'. Dear oh dear, the sim is riddled with features that are totally 'unrealistic' even in 'full realism'.
The good news for these guys is that they can stick with 2DOF in CoD, the bad news is that it supports 6DOF and I know which I will be using!

[PhantomKira]

Have never used 6DOF, would love to see it as a stock option, preferably glitch free, or at least reduced. More aircraft in stock? Of course! What a silly question. At the moment, I fly mostly modded (4.09), some stock (4.10).

Ministry of Silly Hats, anyone? (Not for me, I'm a headset type.)

[RSS-Martin]

Well not going to say what I voted for in the poll as I am sure I will get a bashing from some.
On the other hand this topic is almost out dated with CoD at the door step. For me as of release date even though I do like the PTO very much it will be only CoD then, as I hate those frankenplanes, very few really well made mod planes, but those one can count on one hand.
As to CoD I very much hope critical parts will be locked so that amature tampering is not possible. But I guess that is wishful thinking as some will just think the harder to break the more of a challenge to do exactly that.