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    I guess I'm alone on thinking that this idea could be really cool.

    If they continue making Splinter Cell games and once Michael Ironside retires from acting, I can't think of a better character to take his place. We've only seen a little of Sarah here and there throughout the years of Splinter Cell and it would be cool to see her develop as a character and fill in Sam's shoes.

    I'm not one to read books but this is definitely one I'll be picking up. Looking forward to seeing where it goes!
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    Originally Posted by JerAnimates Go to original post
    I guess I'm alone on thinking that this idea could be really cool.

    If they continue making Splinter Cell games and once Michael Ironside retires from acting, I can't think of a better character to take his place. We've only seen a little of Sarah here and there throughout the years of Splinter Cell and it would be cool to see her develop as a character and fill in Sam's shoes.

    I'm not one to read books but this is definitely one I'll be picking up. Looking forward to seeing where it goes!
    Nah, you're not alone. I've seen other comments supporting it, and it's totally fine to like what you like. The people opposing it don't necessarily agree about why, either.

    That said, Sarah did feature more prominently in the early books (the first two are really worth reading, IMO), and the image I have of her just doesn't gel with her becoming a Splinter Cell. Beyond that...I think I just don't like greenies. lol
    So, even if it weren't Sarah, the idea of any youngster coming and doing what Sam does kind of bugs me. He had decades of experience before becoming a Splinter Cell, the Splinter Cell, and that's how I like it. Even Kestrel, who IIRC was in his late twenties when we met him, was already about a decade in. He also had the right kind of temperament (a professional, not trying to prove anything), which is really important to me.
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    Originally Posted by JerAnimates Go to original post
    I guess I'm alone on thinking that this idea could be really cool.

    If they continue making Splinter Cell games and once Michael Ironside retires from acting, I can't think of a better character to take his place. We've only seen a little of Sarah here and there throughout the years of Splinter Cell and it would be cool to see her develop as a character and fill in Sam's shoes.

    I'm not one to read books but this is definitely one I'll be picking up. Looking forward to seeing where it goes!
    There isnt one thing I like about this idea. Sam was never a developed character and he never needed to be. We dont need to explore his personal life and we dont need to get to know his family.

    I dont care to play female characters, but if other people need that then character customization seems the better way to go about it. I agree with CoastalGirl that I dont like the idea that she is green. Sam was chosen becauase he's old, experienced, and reliable. So, if character matters then its possible that we would consider that, I dont know, just maybe ... an older man might be one demographic we ought to consider. I know the popular thing has been to shoehorn a woman into every role traditionally held by a man, but maybe now that's just as cliche as tradtional stereotypes.

    In any case, I wouldnt be interested in the game if Sarah was the new character. It would ruin the experience for me. But, as in all things, if thats the kind of thing they choose to do, that's their right and I'll just move on too.
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    Originally Posted by CoastalGirl Go to original post
    I got to the "mark and execute" reference before I literally said "oh nooo". lol

    Eh...it is what it is. I just hope that it won't impact the remake. Even if it's well-written, it's just not who Sarah is to me, and that's not a path I want her on.

    Anyway, I'll read it, and they can try to convince me, but I don't see it happening.
    I also hope they won't change the narrative in the remake to make Sarah look like she's interesting into becoming a Splinter Cell agent, it would be really lame and disappointing.
    And even if it's well-written, I doubt they would find an interesting and credible way to apply that idea, either in the book or in the games.

    However, I'd be curious to know your feedback on the book when you'll read it. I personally don't want to buy it and support that idea.
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    Originally Posted by generalbrown02 Go to original post
    I dont care to play female characters, but if other people need that then character customization seems the better way to go about it. I agree with CoastalGirl that I dont like the idea that she is green. Sam was chosen becauase he's old, experienced, and reliable. So, if character matters then its possible that we would consider that, I dont know, just maybe ... an older man might be one demographic we ought to consider. I know the popular thing has been to shoehorn a woman into every role traditionally held by a man, but maybe now that's just as cliche as tradtional stereotypes.
    I'm less worried about the female thing, but there is a certain level of physicality that's needed. For example, looking at the two Eivors...I went female, but she still has a real physical presence. It worked for me, but I'm not sure if that was the popular opinion or not.
    Beyond that, for a Splinter Cell, I want a veteran. I want some competent, smart, patient...you know...like a stealth player. lol

    Originally Posted by LuckyBide Go to original post
    I also hope they won't change the narrative in the remake to make Sarah look like she's interesting into becoming a Splinter Cell agent, it would be really lame and disappointing.
    And even if it's well-written, I doubt they would find an interesting and credible way to apply that idea, either in the book or in the games.

    However, I'd be curious to know your feedback on the book when you'll read it. I personally don't want to buy it and support that idea.
    I've read all but one, Aftermath, but I'll probably do that soon to catch up.

    I think it's important to see where they take it, especially now. If the book was underway before the remake was greenlit, feedback on it will still be really important. As you say, it could impact a rewrite in the game, and I'd hate to see a misstep there.
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    Originally Posted by CoastalGirl Go to original post
    I'm less worried about the female thing, but there is a certain level of physicality that's needed. For example, looking at the two Eivors...I went female, but she still has a real physical presence. It worked for me, but I'm not sure if that was the popular opinion or not.
    Beyond that, for a Splinter Cell, I want a veteran. I want some competent, smart, patient...you know...like a stealth player. lol
    Exactly, the apparence and the genre don't matter.
    We could even have a cyborg, haha. I'm joking here but what matters the most is indeed for the character to have a believable and long background/experience, alongside with a strong and identifiable personnality.


    Originally Posted by CoastalGirl Go to original post
    I've read all but one, Aftermath, but I'll probably do that soon to catch up.

    I think it's important to see where they take it, especially now. If the book was underway before the remake was greenlit, feedback on it will still be really important. As you say, it could impact a rewrite in the game, and I'd hate to see a misstep there.
    I really think the remake has been decided very recently, as a way for Ubisoft to rescue their company facing the numerous departures and the massive exodus of developers. And I'm convinced that the greenlit for the book was done way before, maybe two years ago.
    So they may modify the story of the remake but I really hope they won't, I really want for Sam and Sarah to keep the same relationship and status and even maybe go further with these roles.
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    It would be a strange thing for Ubisoft to greenlight this story about Sarah, and then go back to their roots with SAR, so I'm guessing we don't have much to look forward to in the game. The characters gender does matter, afterall look how invested the community was over Ironside and all provided was the voice. These character details clearly matter to a lot of people. That being said, I understand that some people want to play as a female, so character cusomization isn't something that would create and challenge for me. But aside from all of the rationalizing we could do about what is "realistic" for a man vs woman, it's really this simple to me. I want a character that I can relate to and in some small way indulge myself by imagining I am in to the scenario. It's part of the entertainment, so I'm not the slightest bit interested in imaginig myself as a female spy. It's a preference that pretty much breaks the experience for me. If somebody else is interested in that then that is fine by me for them, but it just wouldn't appeal to me. But I think it's one thing to discuss this topic of character gender in the abstract by looking at it in general terms, and then quite another to say "hey, look, we have this older male character and game that has been well established and earned your interest years ago. Well, today we're taking that experience and making the playable character a younger woman". I don't think this is an overly complicated issue, and personally I would rather see more games just go with character customization. As long as I can play as a character that is relevant to me I have no problem with other people playing some other variation of that same character. If the new game requires you to play as a female character, it won't even get enough of my attention to consider it. It's not a matter of principle or belief, it's as simple as I just won't be interested. I wouldn't buy the game, not out of a desire to send a message to Ubisoft, but simple for the sake of not wasting my time or money on a product that doesn't appeal to me.
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    Originally Posted by LuckyBide Go to original post
    Exactly, the apparence and the genre don't matter.
    We could even have a cyborg, haha. I'm joking here but what matters the most is indeed for the character to have a believable and long background/experience, alongside with a strong and identifiable personnality.
    But also a good personality, because Archer's was strong and identifiable, and he was a punk. lol

    I really think the remake has been decided very recently, as a way for Ubisoft to rescue their company facing the numerous departures and the massive exodus of developers. And I'm convinced that the greenlit for the book was done way before, maybe two years ago.
    So they may modify the story of the remake but I really hope they won't, I really want for Sam and Sarah to keep the same relationship and status and even maybe go further with these roles.
    No idea on timelines, but yeah, I think the book and game are part of different directions (of sorts) for the IP.
    With the remake, I'd also like them to keep Sarah's original role and relationship with Sam. If they changed it, they'd be introducing conflict between them, and I don't want that kind of drama.

    Originally Posted by generalbrown02 Go to original post
    It would be a strange thing for Ubisoft to greenlight this story about Sarah, and then go back to their roots with SAR, so I'm guessing we don't have much to look forward to in the game. The characters gender does matter, afterall look how invested the community was over Ironside and all provided was the voice.
    Ironside is kind of iconic, though...
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    Originally Posted by generalbrown02 Go to original post
    It would be a strange thing for Ubisoft to greenlight this story about Sarah, and then go back to their roots with SAR, so I'm guessing we don't have much to look forward to in the game.
    I agree, and that is why I fear to see them modifying the Sam/Sarah relationship in the remake.


    Originally Posted by CoastalGirl Go to original post
    But also a good personality, because Archer's was strong and identifiable, and he was a punk. lol
    True haha.


    Originally Posted by CoastalGirl Go to original post
    No idea on timelines, but yeah, I think the book and game are part of different directions (of sorts) for the IP.
    With the remake, I'd also like them to keep Sarah's original role and relationship with Sam. If they changed it, they'd be introducing conflict between them, and I don't want that kind of drama.
    Same. And I don't know if the rumor about a new game being in devleopment is true but if that's the case then it would be the best opportunity for Ubisoft to create two different series. Like I explained in the other thread with the example of Forza.
    If they really want to make Sarah a SC agent being sent in an open world, I would hate that but they would be able to do it in SC7 and the other games and books following the Blacklist events.
    But meanwhile remake the old games for hardcore Splinter Cell fans and keep these games non open world, focus on stealth and realism, with a strong and believable Tom Clancy plot. And maybe create a different timeline with these games. As long as they give us what we want and ask for so many years, I'd be happy.
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    Because injecting woke garbage into beloved franchises has worked so well in the past in other instances...
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