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    What I hoped for, what we got

    To my background: I grew up with Tom Clancy games like Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear and Ghost Recon 1-2, Splinter Cell and so on. Good old times. But times changing and I am fine with that. But what the nametag, the brand "Tom Clancy's" has become, it disgusting and honestly it hurts my heart.

    The final nail in the coffin was Rainbow Six Siege with the ever growing ******** scifi-elements and more outrageous' skins. Then there was Ghost Recon Breakpoint where the playerbase stood up and said: "No. We don't want that. We deserve better" - and Ubisoft listened somewhat. Then there is Rainbow Six Extraction. Which is a disgrace on it is own. And now we have XDefiant. By. God.

    Even if we take the name (both parts actuallym, they pisses me off) out of the game, and pretend this was just another generic shooter, it still hurts to see what Ubisoft stands for nowadays. So here is what some could've hoped for, starting with the Tom Clancy's brand name:

    • Somewhat realistic 6vs6 shooter
    • Somewhat realistic gunplay
    • Somewhat realistic gadgets
    • Somewhat realistic "world", grounded in reality


    What we actually got in the trailer:
    • Overwatch meets Black Ops 4 like 6vs6 shooter
    • Non recoil gunplay like in CoD (the recoil is visual only right now)
    • Complete BS gadgets, ripped out of the worst scifi-ideas the Ubisoft universe offered
    • I have no idea in what world all of this will fit together
    • An art style from color hell, as attention grabbing and kids friendly as possible


    I am really shocked to see a game that smells "corporate" all over and is basically a mix between Black Ops 4, Overwatch and some SciFi-crap from the Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six and The Division Franchises, melted together in the Snowdrop Engine which proved to be very cheater-friendly and very buggy and full of exploits, using basically all the assets from The Division 1 and 2.

    Is there hope? Yes. This can be a good game. A fun game. But right now everything presented is the opposite of it, the reaction from fans, players, media and literally everyone is clear: This is a game no one asked for. And I am pretty sure there would be a place and a time for an game where the best of Tom Clancy's meet each other. It can work. It can be fun. But so far it looks generic and soulless. I really hope they will step up their game and reconsider feedback after august and will show that a game like this CAN work. If done properly .
    The trailer and the gameplay offered so far screams "corporate decision" by suits who needed money for their shareholders in 2022, not a game crafted by ideas, vision and love. Hopefully I will be proven wrong. But the last couple of years Ubisoft is trying to catch every trend (last: Hyperscape) instead of leading from the front and bringing unique, challenging games. How cool could've been a 6vs6 realistic competitive shooter in the Tom Clancy universe? But this is not XDefiant (the name alone makes me cringe). Please Ubisoft, proof me wrong.
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    I completely agree. I grew up in an era where Tom Clancy games used to carry a certain prestige of being serious experiences with well researched source material and rewarding semi-realistic game play. XD appears to be a cheap cash grab, and not what your core audience wants the legacy of Clancy games to be... you want evidence? Go check out the Ghost Recon forums.

    How do these factions even fit together? The events of the Division occur outside of what used to be a shared Clancyverse timeline meaning the Cleaners/ Outcasts can not exist in the same game as the Wolves. if you don't treat your own IP with respect, how do you expect your audience to?

    Just make a normal campaign driven Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon you cowards! Actually maybe don't.... I have little faith Ubisoft can deliver at a pre-2014 level anymore.
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    I think everyone is getting so triggered over this its actually quite laughable , The real question should be if they didn't market it with the Tom Clancy name would you still play it ?

    I can nearly almost guarantee all the nay sayers bagging the game before its even released will be there on day one playing it to try it out no matter if it has Tom Clancy's name on it or not..

    I have to agree the name XDefiant is not what I would have envisioned it to be called and maybe a more catchy name would have been somewhat better, but it is what it is

    One can only hope they will add in characters from other Ubisoft franchises like R6 and Far Cry villains which would be cool
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    Yeah, the disconnect between "what players want" and "what ubisoft produces" is irritating to say at least. I was very unhappy with Breakpoint and only recently I can "except" it, after all these updates and changes and new options. Still it is a bad game with a stupid story and game and art design from hell. Same goes for R6 and R6: Extraction. They have pure Gold in their hands but it seems they have no idea what to do with it. XDefiant (the name alone is a no-go) is made for whom? Fortnite-, Call of Duty- and... New Dawn-Players? Overwatch-guys? I really have no idea and it seems they don't have either. I mean, think about it, how cool would be a competitive shooter with teams from R6, The Ghosts, The Wolves, The Division Agents, Rogue Agents, Echelon and so forth? Each with their own playstyles, gadgets and weapons. That would be awesome. Even if you just take the characters and weapons from these games and make it a generic CoD-clone, would be okay for me. Instead we get THIS abomination that has no idea what is needed or what it wants to be. I am not sure how long ubisoft can produce flop after flop in the F2P-market and with their recent games (lukewarm comments on Extraction, dying Hyperscape, New Dawn being ***, Breakpoint selling terrible, Watch Dogs Legion being below expectations etc). Maybe they should start listening and not throwing crap at us and see what will stick...
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    I will give it a try but the marketing is already gone wrong. And marketing it with the "Tom Clancy's"-brandname and then making it colorful and bright as a neon wet dream on acid, does not help at all. I wish it would be just "A ubisoft franchise shooter" like you said. That would be cool. And fun. But the way it is, it will get a hard time....
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    If this had been a completely new IP, built from the ground up with a steady programme of legend and backstory grown over a year before release via press and social media I would predicted literally NO ONE would be that critical of it. Fact was Tom Clancy IP fans ..gamers who enjoy tactical gameplay etc .. got teased by this release annoucnment and rightfully feeling butt-hurt because this isn't a game even remotely aimed at them!

    Are Ubisoft so burned by Hyper Scapes failure that they need to use an estabilished IP to boost numbers? Answer - of course! Unfortunately, it seems to be having an even worse effect.

    This is not how you launch a new FPS, free-2-play or not. To many longer term fans this is more indication that Ubisofts core IP's are getting further diluted and misued (Tom Clancy's & Assassins Creed in particular), instead of working smarter and putting the effort in to establish new IP's for different genre's Ubisoft seem desperate to reuse established IP's on non-related content and alienate more of their established player base.

    I also note how late Ubisoft are to this particular genre, perhaps too late to carve their own piece of the cake away and make it worthwhile. I really think higher management should have considered this long ago.

    Hyper Scape so quiet, because Ubisoft failed to establish a "need" for the game before launch. They didn't put the work in before launch to establish lore, world building or game logic and now they're not putting the work in to keep the game going.

    Why they feel compelled to repeat these exact steps for this game is nothing short of incompetence at the higher levels and a complete waste of the talent they have on staff.

    I do not enjoy FPS games generally (excepting harder core games like ARMA, Squad etc) BUT they could have made this so much better and gained so much more GOOD will and press feedback for this title if they'd done even the most basic of homework.Tom Clancy IP fans almost destroyed Breakpoint for the similar reasons....ARCADE STYLE GAMES ARE NOT WHAT WE/THEY WANT!

    Please, Ubisoft, stop reusing assets stripped from your other IP's, I know reusing world assets (such as the game maps) from The Division & The Division 2 saves time and money and not having to actually think of back stories, motivations & the design of your avatars all cut time and costs but ultimately its an own goal if you don't recoup your investment.

    Bottom line, i'm actaully not angry because I'm a Tom Clancy game IP fan, i'm angry because I see a AAA company making E- level mistakes in mismanagement & mishandling of core IP's and a vast vaccum where innovation & originality should be. Mistakes are a fact of life, but repeating the same ones over and over is stupidity.
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    It makes sense to have Tom Clancy in the name. It's taking a bunch of their IPs with the Tom Clancy name and putting it into an arena shooter. Also, if the name was taken out, everyone would just complain that they're copying stuff from their other games and aren't being original enough.

    This game is not "canon" as far as a timeline or fitting into a specific universe. As far as sci-fi elements go, that **** has been around since the early days of Tom Clancy's writings and games. I'm pretty sure there was an alien battle somewhere early on, but I don't recall when. I welcome the risk-taking and the way they're going with it. Everyone is so up their own *** about what the name "Tom Clancy" means while being completely blind to all the other unrealistic **** that was put in the books and previous games, and I've been playing Tom Clancy games since the first Rainbow Six game back in 1998, so I am well aware of the tactical aspect of most of the games, however, that does not mean that all the games had "tactics" involved in the sense that most people think. The most tactical game right now is Rainbow Six Siege, and still, people complain about how "unrealistic" it is because of x, y, and z.

    There is no pleasing people all the way with this, because no matter what, people like you will always find something to complain about since it doesn't fit "your" vision, but guess what, you don't make games, you are not a story teller, you are not a dev, an vfx artist, or anything else. You are just another gamer who is finding something to complaining about, without really taking in all the nuances of the previous games, that made them unrealistic, yet still had the Tom Clancy name.

    As far as the theme of the game goes, it's edgier and more colorful, sure, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fit into the Tom Clancy world. Think about what the factions represent. You have the Outcasts and the Cleaners, who clearly are the wilder of the 4 factions presented, which would make sense that they are more rebellious in nature. The Wolves and the Echelon are more serious and toned down as far as appearance goes. I also don't know what in the world you are talking about when you say "...colorful and bright as a neon wet dream on acid...", I see none of that. Everything I have seen is urban environments, some have heavy graffiti, and others are cleaner. It's like you looked at one aspect and just focused on that and said "this is ****.".

    Maybe you should look at all the info again, and another look at the trailer, while seeing it from a different perspective.
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    Don't worry, this game will shut down I less than a year, like Elite Squad, that no one asked for
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    Originally Posted by xXGhostVikingXx Go to original post
    Don't worry, this game will shut down I less than a year, like Elite Squad, that no one asked for
    I hope that is not the case. There seems to be genuine hype around the game and the game looks quite fun. It might not be appealing to you but it's definitely got a target audience.
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    Originally Posted by xXGhostVikingXx Go to original post
    Don't worry, this game will shut down I less than a year, like Elite Squad, that no one asked for
    Lololol, not like what you ask for is important to people that have analytics and metrics to off of.
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