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  1. #1

    I think it's time to rework lawbringer

    He is a old hero and the his kit n moveset are too old not ready for the ccu. He is just slow and sad thing is he is bad hero but ppl are seeing him as A tier hero cuz his punishes but truth is he is c tier hero. He is nothing without his punishes.
    His bash? 700 ms without hyper armour
    No light light combo
    No enchanted attacks
    Must do a heavy to do any combo and have access to unblock
    His unblock is bad yet have bad tracking
    His heavies are slow and very easy to gb
    No proper opener
    Long arm is 1100 ms yet on miss it gives a free gb same as missed light attack.

    Devs I beg you...rework him..ya can even take his punishes but give him a proper offense
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    We need to rework FoxyVi
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    Well, if you don't use his punishes, she is indeed a C tier hero. Just like Conqueror is a C tier hero if you don't use his optionselects, or Warmonger is a C tier hero if you don't use her bashes.

    He indeed needs a rework though, it is extremely irritating to fight as Lawbringer, and equally irritating to fight against Lawbringer.
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    Originally Posted by deathtocakl Go to original post
    We need to rework FoxyVi
    lel, but for real she plays good.Like a tier under Havok, and two under barak.

    Is very offensive for a lawbro tough and her defense is more reaction based, which I told her many times on here it won´t benefit her at all in the long run.

    also a good rig and lower ping helps her but still promotes reactions. I still think players like her put themselves a skill plateau for refusing to try more read based gameplay.
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    Originally Posted by MayanKingGaming Go to original post
    lel, but for real she plays good.Like a tier under Havok, and two under barak.

    Is very offensive for a lawbro tough and her defense is more reaction based, which I told her many times on here it won´t benefit her at all in the long run.

    also a good rig and lower ping helps her but still promotes reactions. I still think players like her put themselves a skill plateau for refusing to try more read based gameplay.
    I lost against her twice, but I fought both Barak and Havok, and they are not even comparable to Foxy in skill. Foxy is probably better than me a bit, but Havok is extremely good, and I could not even touch Barak.

    Optionselect removal will shake the Skills a bit though, I feel myself a lot stronger without OS.
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    Well actually, LB's every single side light is enhanced, the side heavy finishers are really good unblockables (not for minion clearing though) only the top one is kinda useless for the same reasons that Raider's Fury are (easy to interrupt). Plus, Long arm is 1000ms according to my knowledge, the problem with it is that it only guarantees an unsafe heavy.

    But yes, ultimately I agree. LB has a lot of design aspects which are outdated now, after the CCU is live. He needs proper pressure from neutral and better chain offense while preserving a little bit of his good counter attacker capabilities.

    About his disliked aspects I would suggest the following: Impale should only be guaranteed after a light parry, no longer on a heavy parry, remove stamina damage, stamina pause and stun from the top heavy chain starter and chain top heavy. The top heavy finisher should keep the stun and stamina damage (10) but no stamina pause but with HA to be less easily interruptible. Light Riposte should also keep the stun. Shove should be faster from a dodge (following the usual timings perhaps) with slower recoveries so dodge GB would work against it, but LB should be able to chain on a miss.

    However, some heroes need a rework more than Lawbringer in the moment.
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    Originally Posted by Csodaszarvas_G Go to original post
    Well actually, LB's every single side light is enhanced, the side heavy finishers are really good unblockables (not for minion clearing though) only the top one is kinda useless for the same reasons that Raider's Fury are (easy to interrupt). Plus, Long arm is 1000ms according to my knowledge, the problem with it is that it only guarantees an unsafe heavy.

    But yes, ultimately I agree. LB has a lot of design aspects which are outdated now, after the CCU is live. He needs proper pressure from neutral and better chain offense while preserving a little bit of his good counter attacker capabilities.

    About his disliked aspects I would suggest the following: Impale should only be guaranteed after a light parry, no longer on a heavy parry, remove stamina damage, stamina pause and stun from the top heavy chain starter and chain top heavy. The top heavy finisher should keep the stun and stamina damage (10) but no stamina pause but with HA to be less easily interruptible. Light Riposte should also keep the stun. Shove should be faster from a dodge (following the usual timings perhaps) with slower recoveries so dodge GB would work against it, but LB should be able to chain on a miss.

    However, some heroes need a rework more than Lawbringer in the moment.
    Yeah, some do. But they don't bring out a new hero next season, they can do like 6-7 again. Conq, Lb, Valk, Highlander, Jörm, some Chijunks and maybe Kensei, and we are gtg. I actually think they will pull it off (I just hope they will include a feat rebalancing).
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    Originally Posted by Goat_of_Vermund Go to original post
    I lost against her twice, but I fought both Barak and Havok, and they are not even comparable to Foxy in skill. Foxy is probably better than me a bit, but Havok is extremely good, and I could not even touch Barak.

    Optionselect removal will shake the Skills a bit though, I feel myself a lot stronger without OS.
    I know, thats why I put her at least a tier under havok or maybe two? maybe two tiers are the best aproximation, two tiers at higher level is actually in terms of skill a substantial gap. Still good enough to be at GM or M level.
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    Right

    Right bro and il love it while sitting on my kids gaming chair
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    Yeah, some do. But they don't bring out a new hero next season, they can do like 6-7 again. Conq, Lb, Valk, Highlander, Jörm, some Chijunks and maybe Kensei, and we are gtg. I actually think they will pull it off (I just hope they will include a feat rebalancing).
    Let's hope, they will do that.
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