The arguement to remove all option selects that can pair with parries is rather short and simple.
1. This function was never intended.
2. Devs have explained that these OS's just stifle offense and they are 100% correct.
3. Getting a parry for incorrectly reading your opponent is silly.
4. Being able to Zone OS instead of properly defending removes a huge layer of thought from the game as a whole. Zone OS does NOT add depth. That's just stupid.
As I said, short and simple.
To those crying about Zone OS and defending the function with "just learn to read", umm, take your own advice, maybe?
You realize that Zone OS removes the need to make correct reads as often, yes?
Obviously you still need to be able to make reads regardless of Zone OS, but you need to make them less frequently WITH Zone OS in the game.
The idea that Zone OS adds depth to the combat is a misdirected notion based on high level players not wanting to give up their easier defensive capabilities.
The pushback for Zone OS removal is almost entirely by people parroting comp player ideas or those comp players themselves. I am willing to bet that the majority of those ideas originate from fear of losing status.
Many high level players must be concerned with the impending need to properly defend themselves looming ever nearer. They will never admit this of course. They will just continue defending the function with logic free reasoning due to wanting to maintain their spot as "top tier".
I wouldn't bother. The thread is clearly a dig at me specifically especially given his response in the other OS thread that's not mine. Funny cause some of the stuff he's listed here he threw at clutch and clutch gave an actual response back and dude basically was like "yeah I might be biased lol" and left the Twitter thread.Originally Posted by deathtocakl Go to original post
Half expecting him to pull his mental disability card again. I'd just ignore the thread and move on. I don't respond to them anymore for good reason.
EDIT: MrBdur Claims Clutch blocked him but hasn't given proof. So maybe cause for why he didn't respond to clutch in an actual conversation instead of dipping like I assumed. Either way I find it curious.
Further Edit: he provided proof. So my assumption about dipping is false. I take back said statement. Goo beeeee
Yeah I'm aware of how Knight Raime feels about the Zone OS. This thread wasn't about him specifically, but I did just come from his thread defending it and I wanted to make a thread arguing the opposite.Originally Posted by deathtocakl Go to original post
I don't know why you're bringing up something that went down on Twitter and totally out of context as what appears to be a desperate attempt to discredit me.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Then you go say something stupid like "mental disability card".
Wtf dude. How bloody ignorant. When I first discovered it, it's literally all I could think about. I wasn't using it as an excuse. It was just a life changing discovery and part of the disorder is called "hyperfocus" and I was hyperfocused on the discovery. What you were witnessing before was nothing more than symptoms of my "mental disability card".
Now that my meds have normalized, I haven't even really talked about it that much. I may mention it as a joke or like, laughing at myself or something but I never once used it as an excuse. I can see how it came across that way, it just isn't what was actually happening.
It speaks strongly of YOUR character though that you would even TRY to use someone's mental disorder against them. That's absolutely pathetic.
I'll admit that I made this thread in response to yours defending Zone OS, because I STRONGLY disagree, and you went through great lengths trying to convince people it's good for the game, only for me to completely disembowel what you said in a matter of minutes.
The truth is that Zone OS, along with the other parrying OS's, are unhealthy for the game, and the reason it's so easy for me to convince others of that opinion is because it's true. That's all.
If I were reading this as a third party, I would definitely be raising my eyebrow at how you've decided to attack me. Pretty low, dude.
Gonna be the only reply you're getting from me as I specifically make it a habit to ignore posts from people I have on my ignore list. I shall remind you that the day I decided to block you i'd very respectfully asked you to not try to respond to me or mention me in other responses going forward. You couldn't even manage a day before you went against that. And you've gone back to trying to respond to me again directly. Obviously I cannot tell you or anyone else what to do. But I figured we could both at least try and act like the adults we are and leave each other be.Originally Posted by MrBdur Go to original post
Anyway, there's nothing to discredit. You're not a public figure head. Nor am I. Our opinions mean jack all to the community at large. I pointed out what happened in the twitter thread simply because I find it fascinating that you'd attempt to argue with the same points again even though when you had probably the most perfect person to have a discussion about it with you dipped. The only thing this would speak to would be the possibility of you flip flopping on views which we've talked about in the past already.
Regarding the mental card comment. I do not mean to say in anyway or infer that you don't have a mental disability. I believe you on that front, no reason to assume you'd lie about something like that as you've never given a reason to me to distrust you specifically. At best we've had misunderstandings. The comment was more so on the fact that you've brought it up unprovoked in a handful of situations that didn't call for it.
If someone asks you to elaborate on why you might think a certain way or why something seemingly easy to grasp was hard for you to take mentioning it then would be appropriate. But you bring it up yourself. You're seemingly aware that it can come off as an excuse. So you can't really blame someone for thinking as such even if that's not your intent. I could give a flying bucket if people take something they read on the internet without context and find it offensive or insensitive. People go out of their way to be irrationally upset about things on the internet all the time. That be how it do. If you personally think i'm insensitive to people with mental health problems that's quite another thing.
To which I can only say sorry to. I'm very well aware of what mental health struggles are like. Being that both sides of my family have problems and I myself likely do. It also helps I have family in the field who specifically study mental health and help people who have mental issues. So you can imagine how I might be rubbed the wrong way by how you've gone about announcing your new findings of yourself so far. I will apologize for offending. But I will not take back my actions.
The thing is with my thread I at least attempted to defend a perspective and explain it. You basically gave a bullet point list with very little if any explanations and followed it up with a bunch of do nothing sentences that do very little if anything to actually elaborate on your position. If anything it's insulting that you'd stand our threads together as two different threads debating different sides of this coin. You should probably re-read the beginning of my post as I very specifically stated the intent of that thread was to inform. Not convince. It's definitely going to be easier for you to create an echo chamber when most people who are not even well informed about the systems being discussed have already decided how they feel about something than it would be for me to argue against the popular opinion. So i'm not really sure why you feel the need to take that as a victory but you do you.
I'm fully expecting to see zone OS gone. I hold no illusion that my words will change anything even if the devs ask about it specifically on the survey after the TG has concluded. However I have always believed in informing people. So that's what my thread did. Nothing more, nothing less. Now please be a decent person like I know you can be and leave me alone. Stop trying to converse with me. Stop trying to reel me in with responses that mention me. I really don't want to continue to deal with you.
You pretend that you have some vast knowledge, compassion, and understanding of mental illness, when really, it seems more like you only say that to save face.Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
If you actually had this vast understanding you are attempting to claim, you would have recognized that the time you speak of was before I was diagnosed and before I was prescribed medication.
The only reason I am even mentioning my disorder today is in response to you attacking that very disorder.
I'm not going to lie, Raime. I do not recall you asking me to not respond to you, but it's a free country, and I won't refrain from disputing opinions of yours if I disagree just because you don't like me.
I am beginning to wonder if you have some sort of god complex or something... lol
Just kidding, but like, 10% serious...