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    Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
    While I have a pretty extreme dislike for the raids in TD2, the game is not "all about raids".



    Build diversity is at an alltime high. Yes, the old builds that used a bunch of stacked holstered/passive talents were removed. But the number of builds in WONY that can perform at the highest level of content are very high. Balance between those builds is at a point now where you can LITERALLY play almost whatever you want in any content with any group. Legendary is the only exception, but even there you can play a wide variety of playstyles and builds.




    Nothing has been nerfed or even changed in months. What are you talking about?

    Honestly it sounds more like you just beat the game and had nothing left to do.
    Part of the problem , no ending to game chapter and no progression , they nerfed the movement , they nerfed the gear , they want you to stay weak and easily killed, even when you max you gear .. It is a game and games are meant to be fun , but they sucked every bit of fun from the game and do not want players beating their beloved npc.

    I love playing games , getting to end game, being maxed out and feeling powerful , it is what i call fun , i played , i collected , i built , i put in thousands of hours , i should feel some benefit , but no they take it all away and call it balance ??..
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    Do not get me wrong i loved the game , but the devs seem to think bullet sponges solve everything , give players an ending to this chapter

    Originally Posted by Riflemania Go to original post
    You could of just looked to see if there was any changes/updates too the game from the last time you played, would of saved you the hassle
    Reading the update notes are a waste of time and effort , they say one thing the game does another , i do not think i have seen one update that worked out of the starting line..


    Originally Posted by Aspoiu Go to original post
    ... there is always THAT solution for the people that really hate where the game is now - play something else, something "better".
    I do not hate the game , in fact i love the game , but it has gotten to the point that bullet sponges and bugs rule the streets . The game has plenty content , but it has lost direction / progress , it has left the player with a feeling of getting nowhere ..

    Originally Posted by xcel30 Go to original post
    I understand content being delayed due hte last minute support restart, but danm couldn't they do minor qol updates with mostly bug fixes?
    Game needs some proper balance , a few bug fixes , and some OP gear . just to give it some fun again. I loved to play in the dark zone , but they will not clean it up and ban the cheaters , instead they nerf the gear sets and call it balance..
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    Part of the problem , no ending to game chapter and no progression , they nerfed the movement , they nerfed the gear , they want you to stay weak and easily killed, even when you max you gear .. It is a game and games are meant to be fun , but they sucked every bit of fun from the game and do not want players beating their beloved npc.

    I love playing games , getting to end game, being maxed out and feeling powerful , it is what i call fun , i played , i collected , i built , i put in thousands of hours , i should feel some benefit , but no they take it all away and call it balance ??..
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    Do not get me wrong i loved the game , but the devs seem to think bullet sponges solve everything , give players an ending to this chapter



    Reading the update notes are a waste of time and effort , they say one thing the game does another , i do not think i have seen one update that worked out of the starting line..




    I do not hate the game , in fact i love the game , but it has gotten to the point that bullet sponges and bugs rule the streets . The game has plenty content , but it has lost direction / progress , it has left the player with a feeling of getting nowhere ..



    Game needs some proper balance , a few bug fixes , and some OP gear . just to give it some fun again. I loved to play in the dark zone , but they will not clean it up and ban the cheaters , instead they nerf the gear sets and call it balance..
    I would suggest a hardcore character as that is what I'm about to do to breathe some more life into the game but difficulty isn't something that appeals to you from what I've read so maybe just a new character period and experience the journey to WT5 again? That will liberate you from the builds you have and allow you to begin with a clean slate -- assuming you don't account share as I wouldn't do that for this purpose. It's a long road to an end-game build worthy of the high end content and I know that I personally have forgotten much of that journey myself and believe it would feel fresh to go again. It's up to you though, if you ain't feeling it then there's no point trying to force it.
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    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    What they did to sniper builds in this game should be illegal. When you sacrifice extremely slow fire rate,, what you get in return should be extreme damage -- especially if it is a head shot.. But when the released WONY, they basically increased the enemy armor and did not re-balance sniper. The end result is, the NPCs can take too much damage that you can't possibly gain control over encounters.

    It is particularly laughable when a fully charged nemesis headshot lands square in the forehead of a non-helmeted NPC and they don't even get stunned.
    Sniper builds in this game are very limited, as only one weapon is worth it (in Heroic and Legendary difficulties), which is the best sniper rifle (behind the TAC-50) which is Nemesis, it's ridiculous to play with White Death ( second best sniper rifle) and see that it doesn't have half the firepower of the Nemesis, but it has almost double the reload time, only play with sniper build in this game who really likes the game and being a sniper.

    Originally Posted by adarsh1688 Go to original post
    rogue agents were throwing 10 skills in a second in a summit the game gave up and crashed thats how dumb the devs are

    so damn desperate to make it look challenging that its no longer fun or makes sense
    I agree... for some time now, they decided that "challenge" is the same as filling NPCs with armor (bullet sponge)... ok, some people like it and think this is a "challenge", but the skills of NPCs have always been ridiculous: they hit you anywhere, move at an absurd speed, especially drones, look how their drones move compared to ours, theirs come and go back to them at an absurd speed and almost always hit our agent, the cooldown time is so ridiculous it seems non-existent (Faye Lau and rogue agents).

    Is it a problem for NPCs to be strong in high difficulties? NOT at all, but the real problem is: while they make NPCs strong by giving all sorts of advantages, AT THE SAME TIME they make players weak and that's what I don't agree with.

    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    I love playing games , getting to end game, being maxed out and feeling powerful , it is what i call fun , i played , i collected , i built , i put in thousands of hours , i should feel some benefit , but no they take it all away and call it balance ??..

    Do not get me wrong i loved the game , but the devs seem to think bullet sponges solve everything , give players an ending to this chapter
    The thing that annoys me the most about this game is not the fact that NPCs are "sponge of bullets", have an absurd reaction time (you shoot an NPC and in less than half a second everyone else turns and shoots you), Absurd accuracy (enemy snipers can hit shots while you're jumping off some platform, what pissed me off was seeing that in a raid game (IH), while I was going up the chain, an NPC down there emptied all of my protection while I was rising by the chain (yes, in the animation of the ascent by the chain), as if his shots were guided), absurd damage, where any enemy easily empties its protection (it has already been discussed here that what changes in enemies is only the amount of armor and not the damage, which I think is a mistake, red bar enemies should be weaker than others in every way).

    OK, those who play at the highest levels DESERVE all this challenge, after all YOU CHOSE this mode, but while NPCs get all these buffs, players are nerfed to make the game more "challenging", and that's what I don't agree, or one thing or another, if I wanted to nerf myself, I would use some ridiculous build with no nexus, where no items matched.

    As for the 3 dark zones, to this day I don't understand why having 3 of them follow pretty much the same mechanic, in at least one of them, occasional players could enter to farm without being bothered, unless he and the other player triggered some of the rogues PCs, then they could resolve their differences, without bothering the other players... and this might help (a little) in the cheaters issue, after all if I realize that the other is a cheater, I end his fun, triggering the rogue PC and becoming an agent again (remembering that in this supposed dark zone he couldn't attack me if I didn't authorize it).
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    For what reason Nemesis is must have, but other sniper rifles - don't? Name it.

    Outside of 4 man elite brutality (due to scaling).
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    I love playing games , getting to end game, being maxed out and feeling powerful , it is what i call fun , i played , i collected , i built , i put in thousands of hours , i should feel some benefit , but no they take it all away and call it balance ??..
    Just lower the difficulty dude, run around on 'Hard' being maxed out and feeling powerful. No need to take the challenge away from those who actually want a challenge.

    (Also, I don't feel like snipers are underpowered, I run a Mantis + Headhunter build and frequently get the most kills in 4-man heroic content - with full stacks you can even 1-shot elites in 4-man legendary. Just stay in cover, learn to snap-shot, and use your decoy to draw fire).
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    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    Part of the problem , no ending to game chapter and no progression
    The seasonal manhunts provided an ending to the game's story(more or less). It wasn't a good ending, and poorly written, but it WAS an ending.

    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    , they nerfed the movement
    What? The movement hasn't changed since launch. What are you talking about?


    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    , they nerfed the gear ,
    Which gear, specifically? Do you mean when gear 2.0 happened?

    Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. The old gear system was badly out of whack. Making a game balanced and fair isn't the same as "nerfing".

    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post

    they want you to stay weak and easily killed, even when you max you gear
    I don't feel weak at all. And I solo heroic with perfect glass cannon equipped.

    If you want to ROFLSTOMP the content, play on story or normal.

    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post

    . It is a game and games are meant to be fun , but they sucked every bit of fun from the game and do not want players beating their beloved npc.
    Fun is subjective. But it sounds more like you just want the game to be easy, even on the highest settings. Go play a mobile game if you want easy clicks for progress.


    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    I love playing games , getting to end game, being maxed out and feeling powerful , it is what i call fun , i played , i collected , i built , i put in thousands of hours , i should feel some benefit , but no they take it all away and call it balance ??..
    Yes, that's what balance and challenge are. Again, if you want the game to be easy, just play on a lower difficulty. I don't know why this is such a hard subject for people to wrap their heads around...


    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
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    Do not get me wrong i loved the game , but the devs seem to think bullet sponges solve everything , give players an ending to this chapter
    I also don't like the extreme bullet sponge found in groups of 4 players. But that's an unfortunate fact of the server technology they have. They can't add more NPCs or the servers would take a dump. And besides, the sponge isn't that bad even on legendary when you solo. It's mostly group dynamic scaling that causes problems. And that's what having a powerful group build and synergy is for.


    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    I do not hate the game , in fact i love the game , but it has gotten to the point that bullet sponges and bugs rule the streets . The game has plenty content , but it has lost direction / progress , it has left the player with a feeling of getting nowhere ..
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    Gosh! Maybe it has something to do with you having almost 2000 hours in the game. It's not unlimited progress! You beat the game. Go play something else.


    Originally Posted by hyper---sniper Go to original post
    Game needs some proper balance , a few bug fixes , and some OP gear . just to give it some fun again. I loved to play in the dark zone , but they will not clean it up and ban the cheaters , instead they nerf the gear sets and call it balance..
    You want balance, but when they do actual balance you call it nerfs. It sounds more like you just want to be OP, which is the opposite of balance.

    I won't dispute that there are cheaters in the DZ occasionally. But mostly you're overexaggerating on every single point.
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    The biggest problem for us who want a challenge is that it is not a Legendary option on everything
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    And to top it all off if you are solo in the Darkzone the people there are so toxic and vial that I just have to turn down the sound to not hear the crap being said. It would get you fired at any job and banned from any establishment but here? Its like they get off spewing it...
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    Originally Posted by xcel30 Go to original post
    I understand content being delayed due hte last minute support restart, but danm couldn't they do minor qol updates with mostly bug fixes?
    Sure.

    Though, maybe it looks better in the marketing to advertise all of the bug fixes and such with the new content.
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    Originally Posted by Whitehart999 Go to original post
    And to top it all off if you are solo in the Darkzone the people there are so toxic and vial that I just have to turn down the sound to not hear the crap being said. It would get you fired at any job and banned from any establishment but here? Its like they get off spewing it...
    Can't you just disable voip in the settings? I am pretty sure that if you turn voip off in the game, you won't hear other players. Discord with people you know and trust and whom are on your side.
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