why black priors can return to his guard when you do a correct read? | Forums

[King_of_Xibalba]

I could be wrong since i'm dead tired for being awake for a day but it looked like you dodged on UB indicator for his bash which isn't early enough for Nuxia to punish since her dodge attack comes out earliest 300ms into her dodge. You have to make a read and dodge on his dodge to punish with her dodge attack.

No bro, I didn´t reacted, I read it, I was expecting it and did the fastest I could after being hit,homever this was my second gameplay with nuxia, at all, so my timing maybe is a little off.
It can be a high latency, or that in fact the window is extremely tight, which I still find unfair.
If I do a read against for example, a WL bash it will always be a successful dodge attack, with this timing.

I acknowledge maybe a weird thing is happening, this person always manage to do this against my PK.

[King_of_Xibalba]

Lawbringer also has a really quick recovery after his Shove. I'm sure that you probably familiar with this, but is is so fast that he can actually parry dodge attacks which were meant to punish his Shove. The only way to punish Shove is to pre-dodge it (as far as I know), or if you have a dodge bash you're good to go.

However, on LB it is not a bad or unbalanced thing IMO, in fact LB kinda needs something like this at the moment because Shove is ridiculously slow from a dodge and on the top of that his chain pressure and pressure from neutral are quite bad.

But I do agree, that BP's bash is crazy good/unfair when it comes to how inconsistent it is to punish him/her for missing it.

yeah I know, but my dodge attack punishes against him are more reliable, homever if I do a wrong read, Im ****** against lawbro quicker.

[Knight_Raime]

No bro, I didn´t reacted, I read it, I was expecting it and did the fastest I could after being hit,homever this was my second gameplay with nuxia, at all, so my timing maybe is a little off.
It can be a high latency, or that in fact the window is extremely tight, which I still find unfair.
If I do a read against for example, a WL bash it will always be a successful dodge attack, with this timing.

I acknowledge maybe a weird thing is happening, this person always manage to do this against my PK.

So I rewatched 4 times trying to discern your dodge timing and I was going to comment on it again however I realized you ate a light attack. So that was a chain bash.

Due to light hitstun his chain bash is basically not punishable outside very specific characters. What I said initially only applies to his neutral bash since there is no hitstun to speak of.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Oh, about the chain bash, that totally should get a slower recovery.

[Knight_Raime]

Oh, about the chain bash, that totally should get a slower recovery.

Yeah if they made the recovery to block for the chain bash specifically 100ms or 200ms lower it would allow for pretty much all dodge attacks to punish the bash on the right read.

[Csodaszarvas_G]

Yeah if they made the recovery to block for the chain bash specifically 100ms or 200ms lower it would allow for pretty much all dodge attacks to punish the bash on the right read.

I would be fine with that as long as they increase the speed of Shove from a dodge and also improve LB's attack chains.

[King_of_Xibalba]

Yeah if they made the recovery to block for the chain bash specifically 100ms or 200ms lower it would allow for pretty much all dodge attacks to punish the bash on the right read.

Ok so as I imagined lightstun is involved.Yes in this case I received a light before, but in other cases I did not, I will try to make a video if the oportunity arises, is not that common, only a few players can in my experience..I suspect latency is involved.

I still find unfair that some specific chars can punish it and some others not, I apreciate your time to analyze this Raime.

[Knight_Raime]

Ok so as I imagined lightstun is involved.Yes in this case I received a light before, but in other cases I did not, I will try to make a video if the oportunity arises, is not that common, only a few players can in my experience..I suspect latency is involved.

I still find unfair that some specific chars can punish it and some others not, I apreciate your time to analyze this Raime.

Yes, lightstun is 400ms, stapled onto whatever action you're trying to do. So for Nuxia that's 400ms+800ms (since her dodge attack comes 300ms earliest and is 500ms.) Meaning it takes her after being hit with a light 1200ms for her dodge attack to land. BP's recovery to block after a whiffed bash IIRC is 600ms. Meaning 500+600ms equals 1100ms. So Nuxia can never punish his bash after eating a light unless the BP decided to delay his bash in chain for whatever reason.

This is why I suggested lowering his block recovery by 100-200ms. 100ms would mean all 500ms dodge attacks should be able to punish it instead of a few. And lowering it by 200ms should let the same be the case for 600ms dodge attacks as well.

I suspect that the only reason this hasn't been done already is because his neutral bash and chain bash are likely seen as the same bash and if they tried to fix the chain bash they might nerf the neutral bash even though they don't want to. I'm not aware if they can tune the same move to behave differently or not depending on certain factors. So that's why it's just a guess.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

What if BP's chain bash would get reaaaally low recovery for everything, like block, guardbreak, etc, but in turn, it could chain on whiff? It would always guarantee any dodge attack in that case, but even heroes without dodge attack could decide to do a gb, or parry the followup?

Also, I had a duel yesterday with BP where I hit an opponent with a light while she backwalked, and my chainbash whiffed and I was guardbroken. Is that a new thing? I have 54 reps on the hero, and I don't think I have ever seen something like that.

There are a few hero's who can block counter attacks, try to punish some of their moves and they can either counter your counter or block it with no reprecussions.

That is nothing. Have you heard that all heroes can counter your guardbreak? That is the real ****, totally nuts.

[King_of_Xibalba]

"Also, I had a duel yesterday with BP where I hit an opponent with a light while she backwalked, and my chainbash whiffed and I was guardbroken. Is that a new thing? I have 54 reps on the hero, and I don't think I have ever seen something like that."

That´s new for me also, never saw that.