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    Yep, that's how it works for me too.
    I can more than double the armor when I pick up a bunch of confirmations.
    If you pick it up at 10sec intervals, then all you have is one stack each time.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    No, it does not.
    Look at 0:14 and forward and u see it stacks.
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    Originally Posted by Imagine_Brata Go to original post
    Look at 0:14 and forward and u see it stacks.
    Interesting. I wonder why mine didn't stack. Could the amount of stacking be set by the number of cores of that type one has? (I had only one armour core—from Memento itself—in my test.)

    Also interesting is that, unlike every other talent I've seen, the procs expire individually: at 0:26, 0:29 and twice at 0:31 you can see the armour buff "de-stacking" level by level.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    Interesting. I wonder why mine didn't stack. Could the amount of stacking be set by the number of cores of that type one has? (I had only one armour core—from Memento itself—in my test.)

    Also interesting is that, unlike every other talent I've seen, the procs expire individually: at 0:26, 0:29 and twice at 0:31 you can see the armour buff "de-stacking" level by level.
    I have 1 armor core on of my Hunters fury gears in this video, so 20% extra armor for each card I pick up. And then bonus damage is stacked as well.

    And what you get most out of the short-term bonus is with run n gun (smg / shotgun) with intimidate because the proc with bonus armor within 10 meters. But with shotgun I prefer adrenaline rush
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    Originally Posted by Imagine_Brata Go to original post
    I have 1 armor core on of my Hunters fury gears in this video, so 20% extra armor for each card I pick up.
    Indeed. But that doesn't answer my question. I also had one armour core; why did I never see more than one stack of armour even though I picked up three kill confirmations in the space of about ten seconds? I should have seen at least two stacks at all times after picking up the second one.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    Indeed. But that doesn't answer my question. I also had one armour core; why did I never see more than one stack of armour even though I picked up three kill confirmations in the space of about ten seconds? I should have seen at least two stacks at all times after picking up the second one.
    I mean I have 1 on my hunter's fury + 1 on memento = 2 in the video above..Mayby uour screenshot was to late
    And here i use only memento armor core and it stack
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    (...) I wonder why mine didn't stack. (...)
    It did stack for you. It's just that it's only a tiny little bit with only one blue main attribute.

    On your first picture you can see one and a half blue sections of bonus armor. Acquired from the freshly picked up kill confirmation. As we can tell from the indicator of your short term buff (the orange one) you have picked it up maybe about one second ago. This timing is important – so also keep an eye on the cooldown counter of your drones, which sits at 17 seconds here.

    The second picture shows us that your bonus armor has increased after picking up the second trophy. You now have close to three sections of blue bonus armor. So the first and the second trophy stacked.

    The third picture also tells us that you have just picked up another trophy, the third one. We can tell from the timer of your short term buff, which only has expired maybe two seconds. Buuuuuut now take a look at the cooldown of your drone:still 7 seconds left. So 10 seconds have passed since taking your first screenshot – and thus a little bit more than 11 seconds have passed since you picked up your first trophy. Which means that its buff has expired. So the bonus armor we can see on sour third picture are the stacks for the second and the third trophy, while the buff for the first one has already expired.

    This is because the short term buffs each expire individually, but the indicator of the short term buff in your hud gets refreshed upon picking up a new trophy. But of course the indicator only tells you that the short term buff is currently active. And the orange colored background only shows how long the buff will remain active. But it does not tell you, how many stacks you currently have and it does not tell you when the first trophy's buff will expire. The timer (aka orange background) only shows you, when the most recently picked up trophy's buff will expire.
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    Originally Posted by Noxious81 Go to original post
    It did stack for you. It's just that it's only a tiny little bit with only one blue main attribute.
    Ah ha! You're correct. Looking at the images more closely:



    It's clear that there were about 1.3 bars of armour buff in the first image, and about 2.6 in the second.

    ...so also keep an eye on the cooldown counter of your drones, which sits at 17 seconds here.
    That's a great idea! I'm going to remember that trick to use elsewhere. (For checks over longer runs, cooling down a Reviver Hive will provide a minute or more of timestamps.)

    Thanks for clarifying all this with your excellent analysis.
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    Originally Posted by Imagine_Brata Go to original post
    Look at 0:14 and forward and u see it stacks.

    It does NOT stack.
    You can have only 2 buffs. Long term and short term. That's it. Once you pick up up the trophy, you get your short term buff and then you can only refresh it. Bonus armor could stack, but since it lasts for 10 seconds only, it is not that important
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    Originally Posted by As1r0nimo Go to original post
    It does NOT stack.
    You can have only 2 buffs. Long term and short term.
    What we were talking about were whether those two buffs stack.

    It's clear the long-term one does: there's a little bar under the icon and you can see it go up as your 1% etc. buffs stack. The entire stack refreshes with each pickup.

    I had thought that the short term buffs didn't, but closer examination shows that they do, though each buff in the stack decays individually after 10 seconds, unlike the stack of long-term buffs.

    So in other words, "It does not stack" is simply wrong in both cases, unless you're using some unusual meaning of the word "stack" that is clearly not the meaning that I and others were using here.
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