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    Originally Posted by RichardOshea Go to original post
    Wrong person. If you're discussing the build with glory daze that ain't mine.
    Ah, that was Riflemania. Nonetheless, the analysis stands. Now that you've seen how it's done, you can do the same for your build if you want.

    Make a video already....
    Everything I have to say is already in the analysis above, and is much more clear in writing than in a video.

    And thanks for quoting my entire post there; nobody would have understood a word of "Wrong person" had you not included a page and a half of text to scroll past right after that page and a half of text appeared. It's important to make everybody reading this thread scroll through all of that.
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    @CategoryTheory just for info that build was thrown together for ease of use to understand, i.e round even number of CHC, Near Sighted, all the same mods on my weapon, Unbreakable.

    It's not what i use in game, i don't use Glory Daze, i have spot on 60% CHC (none wasted) and 188% CHD, i don't use Unbreakable (well sometimes i do, depending on what i am doing)....and a mixture of weapon handling mods on my Bakers Dozen and Police M4 as i prefer a very stable weapon over CHC+CHD....and i have points on my specialization into Rifle & Assault Rifle

    I just tried to keep it as simple as possible

    I am also using Sharpshooter specialization not Survivalist and i didn't mention my watch because i provided screenshots that show my SHD level.

    Without sounding rude you don't have to mention caps to me, i know that CHC has a cap of 60% and i know where to put CHC + CHD on my gear and weapons.....i do not need educating.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    Ah, that was Riflemania. Nonetheless, the analysis stands. Now that you've seen how it's done, you can do the same for your build if you want.



    Everything I have to say is already in the analysis above, and is much more clear in writing than in a video.

    And thanks for quoting my entire post there; nobody would have understood a word of "Wrong person" had you not included a page and a half of text to scroll past right after that page and a half of text appeared. It's important to make everybody reading this thread scroll through all of that.
    Higher crits, higher overall damage. Which part of x is greater than y does your math struggle to explain? Take it off of that spread sheet, out of its vacuum and stick it in the game world.
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    Originally Posted by Riflemania Go to original post
    @CategoryTheory just for info that build was thrown together for ease of use to understand, i.e round even number of CHC, Near Sighted, all the same mods on my weapon, Unbreakable.

    I just tried to keep it as simple as possible
    Ok, that's fair enough, and simple certainly is apprciated. I was just misled by the easily avoided excess in CHC, such as the gear mod, but I assume that's just because you weren't looking at the build particularly closely.

    Without sounding rude you don't have to mention caps to me, i know that CHC has a cap of 60% and i know where to put CHC + CHD on my gear and weapons.....i do not need educating.
    And without sounding rude, you made a clear and obvious error (one typical of novices) in your choice of a CHC gear mod instead of a CHD gear mod in order to raise your configured CHC from 65% to 71% (or whatever the figure was).


    Originally Posted by RichardOshea Go to original post
    Higher crits, higher overall damage. Which part of x is greater than y does your math struggle to explain?
    There's no struggle to explain it. It's clear from your most recent video that you don't understand the concept of increasing your lowest multiplier (which is the core of what I'm suggesting here) or that your'e deliberately trying to mislead people. You cannot explain why your builds do what they do (even after my comments explain exactly that to you about your most recent video) nor have you ever been able to address the various inconsitencies in your videos that I keep pointing out and that you keep ignoring.

    You seem to really, really strongly want to believe that this kind of stuff cannot be analyzed, and all one can do is more-or-less random experiments to see what seems to work better than what. This is not correct, but your inability to understand a more precise, analytical approach to this does not mean it does not work. It simply means you don't understand it.
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    There's no struggle to explain it. It's clear from your most recent video that you don't understand the concept of increasing your lowest multiplier (which is the core of what I'm suggesting here) or that your'e deliberately trying to mislead people. You cannot explain why your builds do what they do (even after my comments explain exactly that to you about your most recent video) nor have you ever been able to address the various inconsitencies in your videos that I keep pointing out and that you keep ignoring.

    You seem to really, really strongly want to believe that this kind of stuff cannot be analyzed, and all one can do is more-or-less random experiments to see what seems to work better than what. This is not correct, but your inability to understand a more precise, analytical approach to this does not mean it does not work. It simply means you don't understand it.
    Where did you comment on the most recent video I posted? The only post you made in reply after that was posted was misdirected and addressed an entirely different build. The video you have not commented on dealt with your initial complaints. As to increasing a muiltiplier and what you think I do or don't understand, what does it have to do with me saying that you cannot simply slap those knee pads into any build and expect a better result. The video shows succinctly that it would a mistake to believe that.

    And again you wade in with the superior attitude but offer no visual proof in-game. Make my build and then make it better with those same knee pads: you can't, not possible. Or show us your build as I'm wandering if you even have one right now. Or do you just yell math at the enemy too?
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    Originally Posted by CategoryTheory Go to original post
    And without sounding rude, you made a clear and obvious error (one typical of novices) in your choice of a CHC gear mod instead of a CHD gear mod in order to raise your configured CHC from 65% to 71% (or whatever the figure was).
    Wrong again......it was not an error, i just thew something togethor to give a simple yet effective damage numbers.

    I have to say i'm getting a feeling you don't play the game and are on this forum to throw out stats based on: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...j6yEfL/pubhtml

    To show off some kind of superiority of how clever you are at calculating and number crunching by using the above spreadsheet.....of which you are very good at.

    You seem to hit a hurdle on some of the silliest parts of the game......like questioning why i got the most kills when using blinder firefly, saying i'm using Survivalist.

    And most of all after many requests from RichardOshea provide a video of your findings which requires the game to show.

    It's just a feeling judging by your threads, you ask a question then when someone answers you go into overdrive with numbers.

    All just very strange.
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    Or the comment about your AR damage being inherent to the Survivalist tree? Something that was delinked many TUs ago as you can now have AR or any other type of weapon specific damage in any specialisation. Odd indeed. Or perhaps an inoccent oversight? Would like to see some video evidence though.
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    Originally Posted by RichardOshea Go to original post
    Or the comment about your AR damage being inherent to the Survivalist tree? Something that was delinked many TUs ago as you can now have AR or any other type of weapon specific damage in any specialisation. Odd indeed. Or perhaps an inoccent oversight? Would like to see some video evidence though.
    Exactly......got changed ages ago.....just finding it strange.
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    Damn.

    I thought I wrote some long *** posts that no one ever read.


    LOL!!

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    Originally Posted by RichardOshea Go to original post
    Or the comment about your AR damage being inherent to the Survivalist tree? Something that was delinked many TUs ago as you can now have AR or any other type of weapon specific damage in any specialisation.
    This is a nice example of your inability or unwillingness to read what's on the page. I said, in the only mention of Survivalist on the previous page comments, that the build was "using an AR damage buff from the Survivalist specialization." I said nothing about it being unique to that specialization.

    Originally Posted by RichardOshea Go to original post
    Where did you comment on the most recent video I posted? The only post you made in reply after that was posted was misdirected and addressed an entirely different build.
    I commented on it in my first reply to that message with your video, here.

    As to increasing a muiltiplier and what you think I do or don't understand, what does it have to do with me saying that you cannot simply slap those knee pads into any build and expect a better result.
    Well, I'm glad you agree with me on that much, at least. What the multipliers have to do with is the original question in the first post of this thread: "under what circumstances in such a build would you not want to use Fox's Prayer kneepads?" That's something you have never attempted to address, as far as I can tell.

    Make my build and then make it better with those same knee pads: you can't, not possible.
    Not if you won't clearly explain what your build is, no, I can't make your build.

    Or show us your build...
    I've given you a fully worked-out example. Clearly giving you another one is not going to change your mind.

    There are general principles going on here, and those are what's needed to answer the original question. You can't or don't want to understand them (or you just want to create argument anyway).
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