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    Anti cheat when? (sad tilt thread)

    Apparently Nadeo are working on an Anti cheat, but... the main dev tries to talk it down and doesn't seem like he cares a lot about cheating going on in his game, all that seems to matter is being nice and counting the money from yearly subscriptions. This is extremely sad to see.

    https://twitter.com/Hylis1/status/1395414491677040640

    He says:
    - there was no anti cheat detection "anymore" (I'd argue cheat detection was always bottom notch)
    - they also investigated with a "different" approach without any player data or tools
    - he wants record hunting to be honest, BUT he also wants us to know people can make mistakes

    If I was a cheater that would sound like an open invitation: "Hey, umm we don't really have an anti cheat and we have no clue how to detect cheaters other than manually watching their replays. And if you get caught, we'll be very forgiving, you know, everyone makes mistakes. But we might have to manually delete your replay if you get a world record."

    Maybe my interpretation here is just off and I'm twisting the word in his mouth, who knows...all I know is that Nadeo have gone pretty much radio silent, but apparently after 3 weeks they finally realized it would be a good Idea to start manually deleting cheated world record times.

    I won't even buy the standard access unless actions are taken against cheating. I am still playing but with disgust. Currently you aren't even allowed to name cheaters on the Forums, which only helps them more. Teleport hack is still working in TM2020 you all saw the 06 record, if not, here it is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnK4NPXsIpQ
    It was displayed ingame for the better half of a day. All cheated World records are deleted manually. But what about top 1000? How can I be sure, that there aren't 100 cheaters in the world top 1000 with worse times, slowing the game down, teleporting undetected because they're not top 10?

    I've been around for a while, back then there were cheaters too, with No CP hack. Ubisoft hadn't bought Nadeo yet and there were no paywalls to get WR ghosts or to be able to chat like in 2020. Fast forward 12 years. With a couple early top200 world times on winter I thought I had a shot at a world record finally, I wanted to get a WR or at least top 10 ish as f2p player. But it's harder than I thought, even if I watch the WR on youtube a couple of times it's way easier if you have the ghost in game. Guess I could do it at 50% speed more easily, especially the tree cut on Spring 14 has been freaking me out.

    Whenever I get close to buying a yearly subscription, I get reminded that Nadeo is in the firm grasp of Ubisoft who can't help but slowly kill games by negligence. (R.I.P. R.U.S.E. 2010-2014)

    I grow angrier each day, when I see how little action is taken, no statements or anything, just trying to swipe it under the rug. Do you need help making your anti cheat, do you need people to tell you what to do? I'm pretty good at telling people what to do, and I know some people who reverse engineer games, do modding and code and stuff, they can also write cheats and more importantly expose security issues, some more professionally than others.
    Without people who have that particular skillset it's gonna be very hard or impossible to write a good anti cheat.

    But the guys at EAC are a lot better and a lot more experienced than any of the people I know.
    Please consider hiring people who work for or formerly worked for Easy anti cheat client, they've been doing a great job across multiple games.
    EAC Client for trackmania 2022 would be great.

    That being said, I have played some of the games covered by Easy anti cheat, and it's not perfect.
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    Just wanted to alert you all, that a player with a very funny name has the world record on the first 2 maps on spring campaign.
    Wanted to report him ingame but it's grey in the main menu.



    I'm not naming or shaming anyone, but you have to admit it's funny. If anyone has the replay, please share^^

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    no, it's not funny

    Riolu couldn't cheat by slowing down TM2020 since he was constantly on live and it's technically impossible to cheat this way in this context; furthermore, he never used those "ghost teleportation" tricks

    I assume he surely cheated during the previous games TMUnited and TMTurbo, and there is possibly existing fool methods that one don't know, however, laughing at rumors and false accusations is as unhealthy as cheating itself.

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    What exactly makes you think he couldn't cheat in tm 2020? There are plenty of other less obvious methods of cheating that could be done live. But I don't want to feed into their creativity too much so I'll rather not talk about the details publicly. One thing I can mention with a good conscience, is that other players tried slowing down trackmania 2020 with cheat engine and that worked. If that works, everything else will too. Cheat engine is the most well-known cheat and if Ubisoft's anticheat fails to detect that, then their anti cheat is not deserving of this name.

    And no, laughing at cheaters is NOT as bad as cheating itself. Who told you that?
    there are no "False accusations" here, a guy named Riolucheater cheated, end of story.
    The only thing that's "technically impossible" is you overcoming your own naivity.
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    Who is the monkey deleting records at nadeo?
    Because trabadia admitted to cheating his 01 record but it's still there after more than a month.
    Meanwhile, top50 times by lesser known players get deleted without any information or warning. They even get shadowbanned on the map, meaning they can't get any new times.
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...s-for-Campaign
    https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...Being-Recorded

    You are killing my favourite game, I can't give you any money for that... Ubisoft strikes again...

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    Originally Posted by Fowst2010 Go to original post
    What exactly makes you think he couldn't cheat in tm 2020? There are plenty of other less obvious methods of cheating that could be done live.
    Yes, that's what I said above, "there is possibly existing fool methods that one don't know", and because of that, focusing at the first guilty one by pointing him with the finger about anything and everything is neither useful nor productive.

    And no, laughing at cheaters is NOT as bad as cheating itself. Who told you that?
    this it not what I said. please read again.

    there are no "False accusations" here, a guy named Riolucheater cheated, end of story.
    you are fullfilling your own topics by auto-replying to your own posts, and when someone put an answer, you are adressing sharply "end of the story". who do you think we are??

    The only thing that's "technically impossible" is you overcoming your own naivity.
    The slow-mo tool can't obviously be used on live.
    It's not a matter of naivity, it's a matter of logic, and common sense.

    Personnal attacks, agressive posts and insults are not welcome in this forum. Please avoid this.

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    Sorry for that last line mate, I admit it was over the top, but you made me really angry when you said: "laughing at rumors and false accusations is as unhealthy as cheating itself."
    Because that's simply not true, and you are defending cheaters by pointing the finger at the accuser.
    You wanna know what's "not productive"?
    Making claims that you can't possibly know like: "Riolu couldn't cheat by slowing down TM2020 since he was constantly live streaming".
    He might have been live the majority of the time, but if he wants to cheat a WR, of course he'll find time to cheat in solo mode. And he can simply turn off his stream. While Slow-mo might not work in live, there are other ways of cheating that he could have utilised on stream.
    I tried not making my first post about riolu because there were others aswell, and it would be unfair only mentioning him. The screenshot was too ironic though. Why aren't we talking about riolucheater and guys like him instead?
    There should be automatic detection for teleport hacks. Didn't TMU or TMNF have that in the end?

    The "end of story" comment was only refering to the screenshot, there is no false rumor or false accusation here. I said his name was "very funny".
    I made a screenshot of the world record ingame, that's it, now if you wanna debate if the screenshot is fake news I'm up for that lol.

    And yes I answered to my own topic after more than a week, because apparently only few people in this forum seem to care about cheaters and I find it somewhat important. I've been warned about that though, and you can expect to see less bumping from me in the future. I'm still baffled by the lack of an official statement about the cheating case and therefore constantly passive-agressive. Forgive me, for I am human.

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    the only person that knows if he cheated is himself and hers looking more and more guilty the less time he streams their games nothing says more about the situation than his lack of streaming gone from heaps atleast once a day to not in months stop being a white knight accept he got caught and get over it