It might have been a real problem but it wasn't a fix it was made really easy for everyone.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
You already said it, the way was you could shoot someone and if you did too much damage, you went rogue.
Not accidently hit someone with 1 bullet.
They should've just made the damage higher before going rogue.
Or after 2sec of firing so you could stop, (also for high dps players)
The DZ has never been fair. Given the poor design of the Division DZs, even if cheaters and hackers were eliminated with 100% accuracy (I know it's not possible, but by way of example) the design of the PvEvP in this game would still be lousy. But that's OK, it's a video game. Entertainment. Fretting over silly details like you do is something that's just not important enough to me nor do I have the time to think about.Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
For me it's just the big stuff, and like I said, this change was one that was overdue. I wish they did a better job with the obvious hackers, but the rest, who cares? The smack talk by dweebs who live in this game can be amusing or annoying (depending on your mood), but there's already a built-in fix for that (muting), so again, I don't care.
If you get frustrated you should find another hobby.
They should've said that to the 1 builds like you.Originally Posted by Sock_Monkey Go to original post
With your accidentally rogue.
Don't get frustrated but aim better![]()
Or find a different game... right.
Alrighty then.
It was a change that happened long before WONY if i remeber right. I dont think it survived more than a few months of being there. Pretty sure they also switched the rogue toggle speed to be quicker then too.
For me it did add another level of skill to it to where you should be aiming and watching your shots; however the rogues didnt have to do this so it added an advantage to the rogue team.
But like you say, plenty would see you doing a landmark and whether accidental or not would run across your line of fire etc. I had it where people would ignore the npcs and just run in circles round you to initiate you going rogue as you'd have no choice but to deal with them.
It was the right decision to get rid of it however i can see the thought behind putting it in to add a bit of something different to the challenge of it.
What does "1 builds" imply?Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
I have maxed out my available load out slots because I like to switch up my play style all of the time. Skill. Status. DPS. Support. You name it, I play it.
Are you trying to make assumptions (about me) as a way to insult me? By all means, please tell me more about who and what you "think" I am.
HINT: You'll get it all wrong...guaranteed.
There should never have been a "rogue/agent" faction split at all. The DZ should have shut down ISAC entirely, and not even teams should have been possible. Friendly fire is already punishment enough, and if you wanted to team up, you'd have to do so through discord or chat or something similar. UI should have been minimal, and skills should have stopped working.Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
In short: The Dark zone should have actually been a complete deadzone.
Instead, the entire thing was a slapshod, poorly considered, badly implemented, weakly designed dumpster fire. I can't believe they repeated it in Division 2. But then again, I shouldn't be surprised. Ubisoft management and leadership is in love with themselves. They've got many reports of being exceedingly arrogant and close-minded to ideas that aren't theirs.
1 builds: only have/use a skill build.Originally Posted by Sock_Monkey Go to original post
They let their skills do everything while they hide.
And I know, you said it at the beginning.
But you assumed that I was one of them sewer rats that only tricked people into going rogue.
So I'm gonna assume you're one of the 1 builds out there that multigroup, I mean you complain like them.
I only said that I accepted how the dz was.
(Also that I'm not really into pvp either)
And tried to explain why, I'm gonna do it different now.
Maybe you do care then, probably not because you like to multigroup. (I just assume that yea)
You have fighters, scavengers, thief's (,tricksters) it was lawless.
I sort of defend the sneaky stuff because that's how it would be in real life as well. (No I don't like it either)
But weak people would trick you to steal your loot, because they can't fight for themselfs.
So they have to do that in order to survive.
(That's the only reason I accepted that behaviour)
I would like your honest opinion on this bit.
My point was:
It was more fair for everyone in the dz.
Not only for the pve players that can't aim.
If you went rogue, they couldn't just mindless go 8v4 12v4 16v4 or whatever the number was.
People had to be carefull/Strategic.
They couldn't just multigroup on you.
If you think it's fair, why can 2 rogue groups still hurt eachother then?
Why can they not multigroup to make it even?
I mean they are both rogue right? (Same team)
That's where my fairness point comes in, because they still can.
1 group on the left and 1 group on the right side.
Strategically placed so they can't hurt eachother.
That's how it supposed to be for both sides
Not only for rogues.
But everything I just said probably made you assume even more, that I'm a person that tricks people into going rogue right?
You can assume for me, but i may not assume for you.
Even tho you complain like any other pve player in the dz.
And I try to look at it from all perspectives (rogues,non rogues,sneaky rats) and see that the 'cry babies' have the upperhand.
I can only agree with this.Originally Posted by Sircowdog1 Go to original post
That would make it even more strategic.
Ps: They should put that in heartland.
As been a avid PvP player Massive and Redstorm need to get it through their heads that you can't effectively balance PVP and PVE at the same time which is why both game modes need to be completely separated , until this is done in either Div 3 or Heartland etc we will still have the pathetic gear ballancing which has occurred from day 1 of Division 2 ..
I invite you to revisit the OP and show me where I "said it at the beginning." My opening post on this thread, first sentence, clearly said So as I am finally reaching a point where I have quite a few fully-optimized builds of all types - including DPS...Oops, you got that one wrong.Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
Never grouped or multi-grouped in the DZ or much of anywhere for that matter. I play solo 99% of the time, occasionally joining my clan (once every few months) for a Legendary mission or Summit.Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
Also, do you understand the difference between a question and a complaint? I hope you understand these are not the same thing, since my OP was nothing but a question. So while you are busy showing me where I said I had "1 build" perhaps you can also show me where in this thread I was complaining.
Oops, you got that one wrong too.
You are doing all of the assuming for both of us, and handily getting it wrong - repeatedly. I didn't complain, my OP was a simple question, posted to the use group. You started in with the "cry babies" nonsense, so one could easily conclude the only "complaint" in this thread was/is yours.Originally Posted by DutchLMB4ever Go to original post
Are you confusing two different threads, or are you having major reading comprehension issues? Either way, I suggest a little self-reflection and a more studied re-read of posts before you launch into a tirade that has nothing to do with what was asked in the first place...and then blame it on the other person?
Here's an assumption I'll make: I'll bet you are young. Not enough info for specifics, but I'd venture "well under 25."
P.S. All the rest of your rant/post: why are you asking me? I don't go rogue. I don't group. I don't go in to "hunt" rogues. I never said or asked anything about any of that, yet you are making assumptions that I have opinions on why can't rogues multigroup or why can rogues hurt each other?
The answer is I have no opinion because I don't care.