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    OBu42's Avatar Senior Member
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    If Ubisoft / IVT need evidence that the motorpass ruined the game...

    ...just check the participants of the current summit: On PC it is just 33,368 players even though we can win a car - in the past, those summits were much more populated.

    I just checked Steamcharts https://steamcharts.com/app/646910#1y for it, and the graph shows interesting insights:

    • People were obviously interested in the new content because the player count went up in the beginning of episode one.
    • The new content is not motivating people for a long time - the player count decreased steadily from that. Maybe because the new race mode "Hunt" is just boring? Or exploitable?
    • At the end of Episode one, the player count was roughly equal to the situation before the introduction of the motorpass. So having "police-lookalike-cars" does not motivate players to play the game more often.
    • The Episode 2 motivated people to give the game one more chance since the player count increased - but...
    • ...just to drop immediately after people recognized, that motorpass is still overpriced and the promise to correct this was broken.
    • now we are close to an all-time low.


    So IVT, PLEASE listen to player feedback - our ideas can not be worse than yours...

    [Edit: I did not take into account the effect of sales/promotions]
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    It hurts in the heart to see how the fanbase is burned away by utter greed.
    A brand with high potential, heedlessly destroyed.
    ...
    I mean, we the community made proposals, many of them. And I'm not saying, that my proposals are the only good ones.
    I know its about money, I stated several times that I'm ready to pay fair money for adequate content.
    Still you are confusing a high price product with pay2win google play story mobile scam.
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    Unfortunately they are only interested in the numbers on their bank account...
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    If IVT aren't carefull with the next episode, they'll end up just like the Ferengi: an ultra-capitalist species in the pursuit of only profit and greed, and nothing else.
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    I dont think motorpass is the culprit here. This game was saved by covid in 2020. Without it you'd see the same picture a year ago.
    IVT ignores core gameplay, they dont fix or even aknowledge long standing issues. They dont have anything that would keep players returning to this game naturally, without FOMO and similar trickery. PVP is garbage from both technical and design sides. Summits is just a source of disappointment for >90% of the playerbase. Most disciplines are forgotten, and some were even made worse by updates.
    There is one single reason for all those problems. And its quite simple: they dont play their own game. At least they dont play at a decent level, I bet they dont have a single person on the whole team who 1) have played for at least 10 hours in the past 2 weeks, 2) can get a plat in premium summit on PC/PS4 and 3) can influence design choices. And thats a huge problem. People only make good games when they make something they would like to play.
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    1.5 hours before the end of summit on Xbox had 17,773 racers in the summit. Lowest I’ve ever seen it for a plat car, by at least 6000, probably much larger gap though.
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    Originally Posted by Anykeyer Go to original post
    There is one single reason for all those problems. And its quite simple: they dont play their own game. At least they dont play at a decent level, I bet they dont have a single person on the whole team who 1) have played for at least 10 hours in the past 2 weeks, 2) can get a plat in premium summit on PC/PS4 and 3). People only make good games when they make something they would like to play.
    I know for a fact this is not true.

    Everybody knows that player created content is what a lot of us are after.
    All you can accuse them off is being control freaks. Which they are.

    They are limiting their own game and therefore ignoring the huge potential it actually has.
    In addition to that, TC2 is dumbed down in many regards to TC1. Weird tactics.

    And for the design choices made; obviously too many executives try to influence the game and change directions.
    This leads to inconsistent and incoherent changes like the removal of the daily contracts and ridiculous Vanity Shop pricing.

    Maybe time to be more customer oriented.

    Growing a team is one, making it better than the sum of all parts is another.
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    Everyone is making good points here. I love racing games, and I found a significant degradation in the fun factor from TC1 to TC2. Now I find myself drifting back to Forza Horizon 4. The community there is still vibrant and the game is still fun. TC2 is seeming more and more like a job and I've already got one of those.
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    Originally Posted by WaxwingSlain Go to original post
    Everyone is making good points here. I love racing games, and I found a significant degradation in the fun factor from TC1 to TC2. Now I find myself drifting back to Forza Horizon 4. The community there is still vibrant and the game is still fun. TC2 is seeming more and more like a job and I've already got one of those.
    The big difference between TC2 and FH4 is that FH4 encourages cooperation (The Trial, Forzathon Live) and does not pit players against each other for prizes (winning a car, of which there are even multiple each week). TC2 is all about competititon and thus most people won't ever reach Plat prizes. Artificial scarcity of virtual objects is not fun.
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    I would just like a way to turn off/disable all the "cool" lighting effects and such.

    So many Summits contain at least one event now that is a definite seizure risk. It wasn't until a year ago that this was even a concern.

    I think there has been one Summit since this past Summer with the changes that I've actually been able to do all events and did so.

    I have over 550K CC just sitting in my account but I've yet found anything in the motor pass or new vanities that I'd want to spend them on.

    This new episode of motor pass there is exactly zero items among the prizes that I am interested in outside of "free CC."

    And those vehicles? Not interested in the least. Is anyone?
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