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[wolfocezosu]

Its not the same game after CCU. Not even close. Kensei is really cheap since then and not only cuz the dodge attack. I know what is like on console. Rematch --> HL Conqueror Kensei or Shugoki. The few times i loose I never get the rematch. They dont want to rematch to avoid those heroes. I try to play good using deflect, tricking pp and ledge them and they only care about the win at any cost easiest way, so they can emote spam and sorry sorry. Not everyone but 90% of the players. And meta pick is still here to help them. MrGrippz advice to pick meta was hilarious lol. Thats what community looks like. Just salty pp who dont care about getting good and show some skill.

[King_of_Xibalba]

well to be fair, Raime this time kept it really civil.
I´m sure there is some misunderstanding here.

I guess is frustration and tiredness, most of the times you are chill mrBdur, I agree that on PC is easier to parry but also in PC people defend much better.

Agree with raime on the kenzo and lawdaddy part I myself follow those two. But at the end of the day is your call man.

[MrBdur]

Was. It's still got it's issues but it's practically standing on it's own two legs now. This statement is coming from a place of emotion. Not logic.



We didn't have spectator mode which made doing tournaments outside of Lan situations basically impossible to do properly. Even if FH was balanced to a level of satisfaction for you it still wouldn't be able to be a tournament capable game without that feature. The fact that the devs are finally in a spot to be able to make the game actually work in a competitive setting at all these days is a thing that should be praised. Not bad mouthed.



You've misunderstood my message. I was attempting to mention that all pvp games regardless of balance or design house aspects that are frustrating to deal with. Apex legends is probably the easiest example I can give of a game that's highly competitive in nature that has plenty of support for it both from the devs and the community in that aspect. It's balance continues to improve and there are still genuinely tilting aspects about it. If your statement about mashing was true then it would be reflected in high level play. Which it isn't.



No, Kensei was called "balanced" by the casual community because he lacked any sort of tools that could be "oppressive/strong." Competitively he was considered underpowered even after his rework because of fundamental problems in his kit. Yet even then Kensei still received flak because of his dodge attack by the average player.



I'm sure glad you're here to tell me what I find and what I don't find enjoyable. I specifically explained why I don't play as much as I used to and why it's fun for me now. I don't play any pvp game for more than a few hours at a time because I can tilt pretty easily. But I guess if you want to just ignore parts of my statements to make your argument sound better than i'm not even sure why I bothered to respond to the thread in the first place.



You and me had a lovely back and forth experience. I really dislike that you're tarnishing what I considered an enjoyable experience for the sake of your ****ty take. It really makes me regret setting aside our differences from the spat we had to try and have a good time together.



Ah yes, because triumphing over me in a few duels when I barely play is such an accomplishment. It's totally a good measurement when debating balance. /s
Totally loving how you called me a solid player and defended my opinions in another thread but now my opinions are bad because the argument is against you.



You could've literally only said this as a response to me and things could've ended amicably. Instead you had to behave like a jerk. Which is a bit sad coming from someone who's supposedly laid back and mature. I thought my response to your thread was fairly neutral. But I guess I was in the wrong for trying to offer some advice if you were to play it again. Next time you complain i'll be sure to ignore it if i'm not hopping right into the circle jerk with you.



You still can. Kenzo is a very laid back individual who still regularly puts out console duel videos and I find his content to be enjoyable. You can also go the way of daddy law and let small things tilt you for the sake of generating views on streams. Really the only thing preventing you from making content is yourself.



You too I guess.

You are a solid player. I never said you weren't. I said I beat you rather easily with the exact things you claimed were easy to counter to prove a point. That they are cheap.

Also, it wasn't much of a back and forth. Just sayin.

I mean, it's no shocker that I beat you a lot. I am far more experienced in the game and I played a lot of ranked trying to get better for a long time. I practiced A LOT. I played A LOT.

The only reason the duel even happened is because you kept trying to tell me how easy things were to counter when I'd say they needed to be nerfed.

I went ahead and showed you, from a player of my level, what those things were like, and you couldn't defend against ANY OF IT, completely proving my point.

The only reason I can think of that you're even claiming it was back and forth or even getting as upset with me as you are, is to save face.

I dunno.

We could duel again? I can record if you like. Don't be upset if you end up looking just like UnderGod did, though.

ANYWAYS, again, the whole thing is just that, at my level on console, this game is crap. Meh. That's obviously just my opinion since it's coming from me. No reason to take this personally.

[MrBdur]

well to be fair, Raime this time kept it really civil.
I´m sure there is some misunderstanding here.

I guess is frustration and tiredness, most of the times you are chill mrBdur, I agree that on PC is easier to parry but also in PC people defend much better.

Agree with raime on the kenzo and lawdaddy part I myself follow those two. But at the end of the day is your call man.

I'm usually chill. Having some bad days lately I suppose. I just found out it's likely I have ADHD as well. LOL

Anyways. Yeah I think Raime frequently misunderstands me. Not his fault. Most do.

It lends credibility to this idea that I have ADHD. It would make a lot of things in my life make WAY more sense...

[Knight_Raime]

You are a solid player. I never said you weren't. I said I beat you rather easily with the exact things you claimed were easy to counter to prove a point. That they are cheap.

Also, it wasn't much of a back and forth. Just sayin.

I mean, it's no shocker that I beat you a lot. I am far more experienced in the game and I played a lot of ranked trying to get better for a long time. I practiced A LOT. I played A LOT.

The only reason the duel even happened is because you kept trying to tell me how easy things were to counter when I'd say they needed to be nerfed.

I went ahead and showed you, from a player of my level, what those things were like, and you couldn't defend against ANY OF IT, completely proving my point.

The only reason I can think of that you're even claiming it was back and forth or even getting as upset with me as you are, is to save face.

I dunno.

We could duel again? I can record if you like. Don't be upset if you end up looking just like UnderGod did, though.

ANYWAYS, again, the whole thing is just that, at my level on console, this game is crap. Meh. That's obviously just my opinion since it's coming from me. No reason to take this personally.

IIRC I tossed you with Warden and Orochi and we had a very close match when I played aramusha where I barely lost. You only thrashed me on Zerk and that was when I played both Cent and BP. Both of which I have tons of time with but I was very rusty over. So yeah. If I managed to good in 3 of the 6 matches we did i'd say that's a good back and forth. I'm not trying to save face at all. No real reason to because I don't care about how people here view me.

I was under the impression that we were dueling for fun. Not because you were trying to prove a point. I asked to duel on a whim. If we were trying to play seriously I probably would've at least practiced before agreeing to duel you. But again, say whatever you want about what happened. It has zero relevancy to the discussion here. You're just using it as cheap shots to support your take on the game.

I'm not going to further repeat myself. Beating me proves nothing. I never claimed to be great. And i've mentioned more than once that my perspective of the game is fixed at what the game is like at the highest level of play. So yeah. For them the tips I give on how to counter things is going to work. Because that's what they do. And they're capable of playing more consistently than you or I can. Just because there are counters for zerk doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be easy for everyone to apply them. We've kind of moved away from single answer solutions a few years back. People are kind of forced to learn how to properly play now instead of looking for a catch all save.

I only took it personally because of the way you worded your response to me. Maybe if you want people to stop misunderstanding you and try to listen to you you should probably work at how you're speaking. It's actually pretty hilarious how similar that is for my situation on the internet. None the less, it's a valid piece of criticism for both of us. I'm not going to duel you again. I don't have an interest in spending my time fighting someone in a video game who's using said fights to try and prove a point. I duel friends because I find it fun. Nothing more nothing less.

[MrBdur]

IIRC I tossed you with Warden and Orochi and we had a very close match when I played aramusha where I barely lost. You only thrashed me on Zerk and that was when I played both Cent and BP. Both of which I have tons of time with but I was very rusty over. So yeah. If I managed to good in 3 of the 6 matches we did i'd say that's a good back and forth. I'm not trying to save face at all. No real reason to because I don't care about how people here view me.

I was under the impression that we were dueling for fun. Not because you were trying to prove a point. I asked to duel on a whim. If we were trying to play seriously I probably would've at least practiced before agreeing to duel you. But again, say whatever you want about what happened. It has zero relevancy to the discussion here. You're just using it as cheap shots to support your take on the game.

I'm not going to further repeat myself. Beating me proves nothing. I never claimed to be great. And i've mentioned more than once that my perspective of the game is fixed at what the game is like at the highest level of play. So yeah. For them the tips I give on how to counter things is going to work. Because that's what they do. And they're capable of playing more consistently than you or I can. Just because there are counters for zerk doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be easy for everyone to apply them. We've kind of moved away from single answer solutions a few years back. People are kind of forced to learn how to properly play now instead of looking for a catch all save.

I only took it personally because of the way you worded your response to me. Maybe if you want people to stop misunderstanding you and try to listen to you you should probably work at how you're speaking. It's actually pretty hilarious how similar that is for my situation on the internet. None the less, it's a valid piece of criticism for both of us. I'm not going to duel you again. I don't have an interest in spending my time fighting someone in a video game who's using said fights to try and prove a point. I duel friends because I find it fun. Nothing more nothing less.

I don't recall ever losing badly to you. I remember playing around because I felt the differenve between us.

I recorded it because I just record all gameplay these days. I remember thinking at the end "do I be a d*ck and post this for a laugh, or do I be nice and delete it?" I deleted it.

It doesn't make sense to me to remember that thought if it had truly been back and forth.

You already said we had 6 duels, you won 3, and I only thrashed with Zerk. This suggests I played Zerk for 3 duels. I only played him once.

I remember you winning 2 rounds as Orochi by light spamming while I did stupid maneuvers on purpose. I then proceeded to light parry you into oblivion over the next 2 rounds having decided to actually play and then the only round you took genuinely was the final round for the "win".

Your other wins were of similar fashion.

Not great examples to back up yor claims. Not trying to be rude, just debunking your claims, that's all.

The difference between us is quite astronomical but again, it's to be expected. I practiced for a long time with the idea of becoming one of the best. It makes sense that I outperform you.

My point was only ever that cheap things exist and they don't necessarily show at lower levels or even in high level PC play due to easier defense compared to console.

[Knight_Raime]

I don't recall ever losing badly to you. I remember playing around because I felt the differenve between us.

I recorded it because I just record all gameplay these days. I remember thinking at the end "do I be a d*ck and post this for a laugh, or do I be nice and delete it?" I deleted it.

It doesn't make sense to me to remember that thought if it had truly been back and forth.

You already said we had 6 duels, you won 3, and I only thrashed with Zerk. This suggests I played Zerk for 3 duels. I only played him once.

I remember you winning 2 rounds as Orochi by light spamming while I did stupid maneuvers on purpose. I then proceeded to light parry you into oblivion over the next 2 rounds having decided to actually play and then the only round you took genuinely was the final round for the "win".

Your other wins were of similar fashion.

Not great examples to back up yor claims. Not trying to be rude, just debunking your claims, that's all.

The difference between us is quite astronomical but again, it's to be expected. I practiced for a long time with the idea of becoming one of the best. It makes sense that I outperform you.

My point was only ever that cheap things exist and they don't necessarily show at lower levels or even in high level PC play due to easier defense compared to console.

Ah yes, thanks for sparing me embarassment that i'd never have.

I recall playing 3 characters. A 4th sounds plausible but I don't remember. Maybe it was zhanhu. The only two characters I remember you playing as was zerk and LB. I do not claim that I remember all the matches. I stated the ones I do remember. Funny that you call me winning with Orochi by light spamming even though I was using both storm rush and riptide strike to great effect. I'm not sure what you'd qualify as "stupid manuevers. But I don't recall you doing anything that would be considered bad. And yes, you did parry me a lot. Which I explained to you in messages was because I'm used to people blocking more than attempting to parry. Not because you're some kind of god at the game.

You complimented me on how good my Aramusha was. So either you were lying to my face for seemingly no reason and were throwing. Or I was actually playing good. And I definitely rolled you with Warden. I even apologized after and you basically said "it's fine that's how it is." I really don't need to back up anything. Because again, I never claimed to be great. Just better than an average player. I could tell you've i've played against much better players than you and held my ground better against them too. But it would be pointless. Because none of this actually matters for the sake of discussing balance.

I'm not exactly sure why you think it's worth pointing out besting me in any fashion when I don't really play. And it's hard to really make the claim that you're better than me when I don't play nearly as much as you. That's like taking on a former champion at any given sport who's retired and then gloated that you're amazing because you beat a man when they were out of practice. But whatever. I'm done feeding into this egoticstical display of yours.
"cheap" is an over used term that salty players throw around because they struggle to overcome something.

I'm just going to say this here and then refrain from responding further. I think you're thick. I think you behave childish. Not just because you believe fighting someone amounts to anything at all for balance discussions but because you're quick to state something so confidently and emprically whenever Ubi does or doesn't do something. It also doesn't help that you're so insistent on proving to be better than someone. Like who honestly records everyone they fight? I seriously doubt you watch your losses and try to figure out how to improve as that's the only reason to even record as often as you say you do. Like, i'm not even shy to admit you might be better than me. That literally doesn't matter to me at all. Because again i'm only concerned with what things are like at the top.

That goes for discussions as much as it does for gameplay. Kenzo is by far and away from a competitive player. But it's enjoyable to watch him play because he points out his mistakes. Because he asks for advice on new heros, because he's about that self improving nature. Same reason why I watch Clutch and Barrak as well. Literally the only reason why i'm even debating your claims is because you bothered to mention them at all. But people are going to assume whatever they want to about me regardless of what I do or do not say. I should've just ignored it.

Anyway, I think how you view balance is misguided at best. I thought we could be friends despite our differences of opinions when it comes to balance. After all I never fully agreed with everything that Vakris, Halvtand, Candle, or Tyrjo said when it came to our balance discussions. Heck, I have even been against somethings Goat or Gaser have said. But I respect all of them very much because we all share a common goal to have the game be as competitively viable as possible. They know how to have discussions. I'm far from perfect. I get emotional here. I am frequently rude here. I'm not blind to that and i'll own up to it.

But I really can't stand how you act. This conversation shows me as much. My entire goal for posting in this thread originally was to be neutral and try to give some potential helpful advice should you ever think about picking up FH again. Because despite how much of an ******* I can be on here I really do just want to be helpful. I want people to know what I know and love what I love. Because I enjoy sharing things with people. But you chose to make it personal instead of responding neutral in kind. And I fell for that. And that's my fault. But i'm done. I tried. I do wish you the best where ever you end up going and putting your main pvp experience in the future. If you could do any kindness for me at all though please don't ever try to talk to me again or even mention me in other conversations. I shall do the same.

Peace.

[LightUpTheEyes]

Lol this seems like it turned into a D measuring contest. Anybody can beat anyone on any given day. Me and a group of randoms absolutely demolished Skorbrand and his team while they were no doubt training for the last dominion series, doesn't mean anything at all.

[MrBdur]

Ah yes, thanks for sparing me embarassment that i'd never have.

I recall playing 3 characters. A 4th sounds plausible but I don't remember. Maybe it was zhanhu. The only two characters I remember you playing as was zerk and LB. I do not claim that I remember all the matches. I stated the ones I do remember. Funny that you call me winning with Orochi by light spamming even though I was using both storm rush and riptide strike to great effect. I'm not sure what you'd qualify as "stupid manuevers. But I don't recall you doing anything that would be considered bad. And yes, you did parry me a lot. Which I explained to you in messages was because I'm used to people blocking more than attempting to parry. Not because you're some kind of god at the game.

You complimented me on how good my Aramusha was. So either you were lying to my face for seemingly no reason and were throwing. Or I was actually playing good. And I definitely rolled you with Warden. I even apologized after and you basically said "it's fine that's how it is." I really don't need to back up anything. Because again, I never claimed to be great. Just better than an average player. I could tell you've i've played against much better players than you and held my ground better against them too. But it would be pointless. Because none of this actually matters for the sake of discussing balance.

I'm not exactly sure why you think it's worth pointing out besting me in any fashion when I don't really play. And it's hard to really make the claim that you're better than me when I don't play nearly as much as you. That's like taking on a former champion at any given sport who's retired and then gloated that you're amazing because you beat a man when they were out of practice. But whatever. I'm done feeding into this egoticstical display of yours.
"cheap" is an over used term that salty players throw around because they struggle to overcome something.

I'm just going to say this here and then refrain from responding further. I think you're thick. I think you behave childish. Not just because you believe fighting someone amounts to anything at all for balance discussions but because you're quick to state something so confidently and emprically whenever Ubi does or doesn't do something. It also doesn't help that you're so insistent on proving to be better than someone. Like who honestly records everyone they fight? I seriously doubt you watch your losses and try to figure out how to improve as that's the only reason to even record as often as you say you do. Like, i'm not even shy to admit you might be better than me. That literally doesn't matter to me at all. Because again i'm only concerned with what things are like at the top.

That goes for discussions as much as it does for gameplay. Kenzo is by far and away from a competitive player. But it's enjoyable to watch him play because he points out his mistakes. Because he asks for advice on new heros, because he's about that self improving nature. Same reason why I watch Clutch and Barrak as well. Literally the only reason why i'm even debating your claims is because you bothered to mention them at all. But people are going to assume whatever they want to about me regardless of what I do or do not say. I should've just ignored it.

Anyway, I think how you view balance is misguided at best. I thought we could be friends despite our differences of opinions when it comes to balance. After all I never fully agreed with everything that Vakris, Halvtand, Candle, or Tyrjo said when it came to our balance discussions. Heck, I have even been against somethings Goat or Gaser have said. But I respect all of them very much because we all share a common goal to have the game be as competitively viable as possible. They know how to have discussions. I'm far from perfect. I get emotional here. I am frequently rude here. I'm not blind to that and i'll own up to it.

But I really can't stand how you act. This conversation shows me as much. My entire goal for posting in this thread originally was to be neutral and try to give some potential helpful advice should you ever think about picking up FH again. Because despite how much of an ******* I can be on here I really do just want to be helpful. I want people to know what I know and love what I love. Because I enjoy sharing things with people. But you chose to make it personal instead of responding neutral in kind. And I fell for that. And that's my fault. But i'm done. I tried. I do wish you the best where ever you end up going and putting your main pvp experience in the future. If you could do any kindness for me at all though please don't ever try to talk to me again or even mention me in other conversations. I shall do the same.

Peace.

Oh... I probably gave off the wrong tone. As mentioned before, I think you're just misunderstanding me.

I see why you consider me immature even though I am actually more mature than most my age. Your response is the truly immature one here. Let me explain.

My suspicions of having ADHD are true. I spoke to a professional this morning. He specializes in the disorder.

My responses are, unfortunately for me, excensuated by ADHD. You are correct in saying my responses are emotional, not logical. As I learned this morning, that happens sometimes and it's up to me from here on out to try and recognize it when it's happening.

In a neutral mood, I am incredibly honest, logical, and mature. I make excellent decisions in a neutral mood, albeit the lack of focus on redundant tasks. I have an above average IQ and I am often the smartest guy in the room.

Sadly, this does not show too often because emotion can erode my attitude and I get flustered easily which throws off any train of thought.

I am often perceived as being rude when I am actually being polite. That's a commom symptom.

Now, my "immaturity" is only a symptom of a disorder I have. Yours has no such excuse. Your responses to me are simply that of a child throwing a fit. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I apologize for any ill feelings I caused for you, but if you were truly as mature as you seem to be trying to convince me you are, you would have stopped responding long before this.

Anyways, I am now on a path of learning more about myself and my disorder and I wish you well.

Have a good day.

Oh, PS

I don't just record all my For Honor fights. I hit record on all gameplay, as in, whenever I play a game, I hit record, just in case I decide to use anything for content regardless of the game. If I don't want it, I discard it, as I did with our fights and most other fights in For Honor cuz console and meh and I guess ADHD? It is likely affecting my opinion of the game, thus my flipping and flopping. Thanks for twisting what I said though and trying to make me seem as toxic as humanly possible.

Bye bud :P

[MrBdur]

Lol this seems like it turned into a D measuring contest. Anybody can beat anyone on any given day. Me and a group of randoms absolutely demolished Skorbrand and his team while they were no doubt training for the last dominion series, doesn't mean anything at all.

I just discovered for sure that I have ADHD, and so you should know my responses have nothing to do with any D measuring contests, and instead, I was simply reacting to what was in front of me. Something I need to start paying attention to and catching it before it spirals. Lol

ADHD=Big Feelings

It also means other stuff too but that's one of the most pronounced things.

Anyways. Yeah I wasn't trying to "prove" I'm better than Raime. I'm saying it shouldn't be a shock that I'm better. Like, he even says he's more of a casual than I am so I don't understand why that statement is taken the way it's being taken, but maybe that's cuz ADHD? This is new to me so, I dunno. Lol

I wasn't trying to "spare embarassment" or anything. Raime losing to me is expected, not an embarassment. That's like the #1 GM beating me and then at some point stating he is a better player than I am. My response to that would be "I know". Lol

I have literally fought a few #1 GMs (different seasons, one of them is on my friends list haha) and I have never beaten a single one. I've never beaten any GM within the top 10 and have only beaten a few GMs ever and only a few times then. Any rematches surely meant my defeat. Lmaooo

Not completely sure where my point went... not gonna lie. Did I already make my point?

Where am I?

Edit: sorry, just to clarify. The last statement about my point is a genuine thought. The final question was a joke at myself cuz questioning my point being made is ADHD. "Where am I?" Is not. Lol