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[AI BLUEFOX]

Dear gawd, that movie was terrible! Let's hope they don't make a part 2.

Watched it last night and, yes, it was a thin plot and every cliche you can think of for an action hero movie. I enjoyed it for what it was, though, and thought it played out much like a single player campaign game, with a series of set pieces interspersed with the story telling.

[Megalodon26]

See,the Jack Ryan series involves more of the political intrigue that made Clancy famous, while John Clark is more about the action. That's probably why until now, he's only played a supporting role in previous Clancy movies. So I enjoyed the movie, and I'm sure I will enjoy a Rainbow Six movie as well.. My only hesitation, is whether Jordan would stick to the lore, with John Clark being content being the leader of Team Rainbow, and not one of the operators.

[FCacGRdvWD]

I had to see what the whole fuss with this movie was all about, after all it was a TC movie, how could it be bad, right? Well, I rather hit my left nut with a nail gun a couple of times than having to endure watching a movie with that guy, the crew and whomever was in charge of it ever again.

I have never read any of his books, but I seriously doubt he wrote most of that crap, like losing his wife and unborn child to the bad guys. I mean, sure, that has never been done to death before.

Too bad I can not unsee or gain those 2 hours back, watching paint dry would have been more enjoyable. I have seen bad movies, and it appears that the Paris Studio was involved in making this movie as well.

[ArgimonEd]

Its actually not that different from the original novel @FCac.

Here's the plot:

In 1970, former Navy SEAL John Kelly, who recently lost his pregnant wife, Patricia, in a car accident, picks up a hitchhiker named Pam on his way to his home on Battery Island in the Chesapeake Bay. They quickly become lovers, and over time Kelly discovers her full name, Pamela Madden, and that she is a runaway who became a drug mule and prostitute; she has recently escaped from her drug-dealer/pimp Henry Tucker. Kelly, along with the help of doctors Sam and Sarah Rosen, help rehabilitate her from barbiturates. Weeks after recovering, Kelly and Pam go to Baltimore for follow-up treatment and pass through a neighborhood where her pimps work. One of them recognizes Pam and pursues them in a car chase. Kelly is gravely wounded by a shotgun blast, while Pam is recaptured and later tortured, gang-raped, and killed.

So he actually did lost someone in a similar manner to the way he lost his wife in the movie.

After that he does goes set for a private war (Much like the last Rambo movie)

Meanwhile, Kelly recovers from his wounds with the help of Dr. Rosen and his head nurse, Sandra 'Sandy' O'Toole. Vowing to exact revenge on the people responsible for Pam's death, he wages a private war on Tucker's drug ring, eliminating some of its players and saving some female drug mules in the process. He recruits Rosen and O'Toole to help rehabilitate one of the rescued prostitutes, Doris Brown. He later obtains more information on the drug ring from brutally torturing one of Pam's pimps, William Grayson, using a pressure chamber designed to simulate deep-water diving conditions; he is then left to die from severe decompression sickness.

So the movie isn't that far off, it simply tried to contextualize the plot around what is happening right now in the J.Ryan TV show.
And I think his team being killed is drawing inspiration from the conspiracy theory that some people involved in UBL raid, being killed.

[ArgimonEd]

I for one dont think the plot of the movie was that bad.
It has some exaggerations, of course.
It's a movie and main characters have plot armor.
There were some cliches, but nowadays its impossible to not have cliches in your story, because pretty much everything in every genre has already been done.
It's the slight variations that make me like the story.
Michael B Jordan in my opinion is a good actor and I like his movies.
I had a few gripes with it but overall yeah, was a good movie and I hope the character appear from now on in JR tv show if they are still going to continue with them, or that JR appear in future movies telling the story of John Clark and team Rainbow

[ManticButton]

yeah just watched it the film is a rather loose adaptation so it's alright on that front

the set pieces and action are what save the film for me

still I wish something had been kept with the drugs but maybe for another tom clancy film

[KUZMITCHS]

For the plot it is an extremely loose adaptation... I think that the book was a much more personal story that was a "deal with the devil" kind and showed the transformation of John Kelly into John Clark.

This one was much more action focused and... dare I say... soulless. This one felt like it was made to follow the trends of modern action movies. I much preferred Sicario 2 that was earlier directed by the director of this film.

While some of the action scenes were great, the John Wick style firefights where one guy is able to overwhelm so many people really doesn't fit Tom Clancy style.

(See the scene where Rosgvardia Spetsnaz keep missing Kelly who they've surrounded near the end of the film just a few meters away).

The story itself is barebones and the conspiracy surrounding the main plot isn't really well defined.

The film is bad, but it isn't anything to rave about either.

[Megalodon26]

While some of the action scenes were great, the John Wick style firefights where one guy is able to overwhelm so many people really doesn't fit Tom Clancy style.

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Tell that to Sam Fisher. What John Kelly considered a really bad day, Fisher considered it Tuesday.

[ArgimonEd]

Yeah @Kuzmitchs it's a movie, kind of hard to adapt the entire plot of a book into a movie that lasts 2h, while the book if you really are a fast reader and have nothing else to do will take at least 7h to read.
As to the final showdown in the movie, there are several examples of soldiers making last stands and surviving, there was the gurkha who was awarded the victoria cross and many others.
I think its plausible, not exactly like portrayed in the movie, but plausible

[BATTLEFACE]

Its actually not that different from the original novel @FCac.

Here's the plot:

In 1970, former Navy SEAL John Kelly, who recently lost his pregnant wife, Patricia, in a car accident, picks up a hitchhiker named Pam on his way to his home on Battery Island in the Chesapeake Bay. They quickly become lovers, and over time Kelly discovers her full name, Pamela Madden, and that she is a runaway who became a drug mule and prostitute; she has recently escaped from her drug-dealer/pimp Henry Tucker. Kelly, along with the help of doctors Sam and Sarah Rosen, help rehabilitate her from barbiturates. Weeks after recovering, Kelly and Pam go to Baltimore for follow-up treatment and pass through a neighborhood where her pimps work. One of them recognizes Pam and pursues them in a car chase. Kelly is gravely wounded by a shotgun blast, while Pam is recaptured and later tortured, gang-raped, and killed.

So he actually did lost someone in a similar manner to the way he lost his wife in the movie.

After that he does goes set for a private war (Much like the last Rambo movie)

Meanwhile, Kelly recovers from his wounds with the help of Dr. Rosen and his head nurse, Sandra 'Sandy' O'Toole. Vowing to exact revenge on the people responsible for Pam's death, he wages a private war on Tucker's drug ring, eliminating some of its players and saving some female drug mules in the process. He recruits Rosen and O'Toole to help rehabilitate one of the rescued prostitutes, Doris Brown. He later obtains more information on the drug ring from brutally torturing one of Pam's pimps, William Grayson, using a pressure chamber designed to simulate deep-water diving conditions; he is then left to die from severe decompression sickness.

So the movie isn't that far off, it simply tried to contextualize the plot around what is happening right now in the J.Ryan TV show.
And I think his team being killed is drawing inspiration from the conspiracy theory that some people involved in UBL raid, being killed.

I disagree and think the plot was wildly different. John Kelly in the novel comes across as a much more interesting individual. Off the bat, he's a UDT Frogman used on special operations, and gets called upon to help out in an important rescue mission. A mission that solely relies on him slipping into enemy territory undetected and taking a layout of the situation to give the okay for the rest of the troops to proceed with their insertion. At the same time, he's working on his own roque operation to take out those responsible for killing Pam. I think the book casts an interesting dichotomy as, on one hand, we see John as a stand up, elite soldier. An All-American hero that's depended on for this big mission while on the other hand, he crosses the line into unlawful territory to exact revenge and take out the domestic bad guys.

I think the film was a decent revenge story, but it could have been labeled something else and would have still been ok. I also get that things need to align with the modern world as the book takes place in the Viet Nam era, but I feel the film kind of glossed over what made John an intriguing character.

My concern now is the next film we'll see him in the field with Team Rainbow and that the lore will be changed up even more. Will we even see Ding Chavez? Who knows.